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Daredevil #93 (Spoilers)
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Grade DD #93
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rgj
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Daredevil #93 (Spoilers) Reply with quote

Hey, thought I'd start this thread since I never have. Well, I haven't read the issue yet, but what did you guys think?? I added a poll cause, as you all know, I like to "quantify" things.

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fox_limbo
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow!

And again, I say "Wow!"

This is a great, great issue. I will go out of my way as saying this may be the best issue Ed Brubaker has written yet on this title. It was pitch-perfect... and even though it sure as hell smells to me that Mister Brubaker hit the "re-set" button with the Daredevil mythology, the delivery of everything in this issue doesn't make me mind all that much.

I will discuss this issue more in a day or two when I have the time to do so. Besides, I'm still basking in the afterglow of this issue's greatness... I need some time to digest it. Very Happy

But... wow! Really.
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Stephan
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't purchased it yet, but Fox Limbo has kindled my interest! If "hit the reset button" means no more secret identity revealed poppycock, it is cause for celebration!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just as fox_limbo did, I really enjoyed this issue. I'm still a pretty big fan of issue #86 and all hell breaking loose in Ryker's, but this is a close second to that issue in my mind. Who knows, maybe after a couple more readings my tune will change! I won't get into it TOO much but since this thread IS labeled spoilers, I won't feel bad saying that I like the addition of Becky Blake to the newly re-opened office or how Brubaker ends with Lily flying to NY (after she had seemed to be dismissed as someone who had just been taken advantage of by Vanessa Fisk). You think Matt's going to kick himself for letting her off so easily?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just purchased #93, and it was truly stellar. The artwork was exceptional. Brubaker has performed admirably, and I applaud him. Matt has a tabula rasa, and I am delighted. Mercifully, there was no mention of the increasingly prosaic Civil War!

I do have some qualms. The abrupt departure of Wilson Fisk is foremost among them. The Kingpin has long been an integral part of the DD mythos. His exit will create a vacuum. Brubaker, hopefully, will introduce some new (and formidable) foes for DD to reckon with. Becky elevated to partner - ? Thus far, Becky has been an uninteresting character. Perhaps she will be developed further. And forgive me if I appear callous, but Matt's mourned Karen long enough. No more grieving. These lamentations ("I miss her") are becoming monotonous. Karen was not a paragon of virtue. She was a former narcotics addict and harlot whose betrayal resulted in Matt's ruination. And Matt's relationship with Karen was not always harmonious. Unless Brubaker intends to revive her, it is time to move on.
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The Overlord
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephan wrote:
Just purchased #93, and it was truly stellar. The artwork was exceptional. Brubaker has performed admirably, and I applaud him. Matt has a tabula rasa, and I am delighted. Mercifully, there was no mention of the increasingly prosaic Civil War!

I do have some qualms. The abrupt departure of Wilson Fisk is foremost among them. The Kingpin has long been an integral part of the DD mythos. His exit will create a vacuum. Brubaker, hopefully, will introduce some new (and formidable) foes for DD to reckon with. Becky elevated to partner - ? Thus far, Becky has been an uninteresting character. Perhaps she will be developed further. And forgive me if I appear callous, but Matt's mourned Karen long enough. No more grieving. These lamentations ("I miss her") are becoming monotonous. Karen was not a paragon of virtue. She was a former narcotics addict and harlot whose betrayal resulted in Matt's ruination. And Matt's relationship with Karen was not always harmonious. Unless Brubaker intends to revive her, it is time to move on.


Perhaps its time for the mythos to change, Kingpin has been shadow of former self for years. His empire has been destroyed twice and his criminal career has cost him the lives of his loved ones. In recent years all of his lieutenants have betrayed him, he has lost most of his money and lost almost all of his clout. Many times can Kingpin be overthrown and rebuild his empire before it becomes stale and just silly. Sometimes a mythos has to change and grow, rather than trying to maintain the same tired status quo. Miller revitalized the DD mythos by changing it the first place, shouldn't Brubaker be allowed to do the same. besides I think other dD villains could be developed real threats, just like Miller did with Kingpin and Bullseye in the 80s.

As for DD and Karen, DD remembers an idealized version of Karen, when a loved one dies, people tend to rember their good qualities and gloss over their flaws. Plus I don't think we had a good arc that dealt with DD's feelings over Karen's death in the main DD title. DD will have to confront his feelings before he can put them to rest. Also keep in mind DD's repressed feelings regarding Karen have recently been brought to the surface because of the pheromones Lilly used on DD, this villain that DD will face soon has a talent for emotional manipulation, so Matt may have to confront his feelings over Karen's death once and for all when dealing with this villain.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DD# 93 is a fantastic issue.

There were a number of satisfying emotional pay-offs. Matt reuniting with Foggy, Becky Blake joining the firm as a legal partner, Matt getting back in his lawyer chair. Matt's subconscious longing for Karen was even touched upon. It was even nice seeing Milla Donovan again (I am very interested to see Ed Brubaker delve into her character in the next issue). This issue really had it all.

Then, there was the whole business with Wilson Fisk.

Perhaps, it's the hang-over from Brian Bendis's meticulous storytelling pace (and seemingly still getting used to Ed Brubaker's comparitively quicker jaunt through his yarns), I anticipated an entire arc devoted to the moral dilhemma of springing Wilson Fisk free. I was shocked to see that devlopment happen in just a couple of pages. While people have voiced their disproval of Ed Brubaker "letting the Kingpin go", I found a richness in the interaction between Matt and Big Willie that, for the most part, hasn't been there since Chichester's "Last Rites: The Fall of the Kingpin" (particularly DD# 300, vol. 1). There is a a palpable disdain between the two characters, but there is also a great respect. And Ed Brubaker played this out perfectly.

People seem to believe that this is the end of Wilson Fisk, given the tone and the finality of it. But I'm willing to wager that we haven't seen the last of Big Willie, though.

As I've stated before (and perhaps, to some, nausiatingly so)while I'm in the minority of actually enjoying the ramifications of Matt being outted, and am frustrated with the prospect of the mythology being "re-set" to the status quo (and this issue sure as hell looks like the "re-set" button was pressed; what with the public doubt of Matt believed to be Daredevil seeping in after the latest developments and Matt getting his legal liscense reinstated, how can this not be a "re-set" given the storm that has orbited Matt over the last few years?). I still feel that there were a number of stories that still could be told within the template of Matt being outted (but given the Spider-Man outting and the Civil War thing, superheroes being outted seems to becoming a bit of a gimmick and boardering on the cliche), but Ed Brubaker handled everything very deftly, it would be stupid and pointless of me to argue and vent about it. The writer took me to a place I was reluctant to go and I still enjoyed the ride. Only a great writer can do that. And, in case you haven't noticed, Ed Brubaker is certainly a great writer. Besides, there is still the looming perception, mingled with the public doubt, that Matt is believed to be Daredevil (case-in-point being the reporter calling Matt out as Daredevil during the press conference), so I'm satisfied with that.

It seems to be wrapped up into a nice, little happy ending. Or is it just the calm before the storm?

After what I felt was an artistic lapse in DD#92, the artwork was dynamic in this issue. And Matt Hollingsworth's colors, even though a bit muddled in points, was nearly perfect. The artwork in this issue viscerally complimented Ed's words (as it has done, for the most part, since they took over for Bendis and Maleev). I had said, after last issue, that I missed Alex Maleev's partrayal of "talking heads" and felt the artwork slumped; this issue, however, (essentially another "talking heads" issue) was very, very well done.

This is just a great issue all the way around.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Overlord wrote:

As for DD and Karen, DD remembers an idealized version of Karen, when a loved one dies, people tend to rember their good qualities and gloss over their flaws. Plus I don't think we had a good arc that dealt with DD's feelings over Karen's death in the main DD title. DD will have to confront his feelings before he can put them to rest.


Excellent observations, and I agree. Matt never really tackled the impact of Karen's death, and I was glad to see him finally get a chance to really sort through some of those emotions.

I also agree it may be time to evolve Kingpin's role or let it rest for a good while. He will be back of course, his character still has too much potential to retire him forever.

I've enjoyed every page of Bru's run thus far, I haven't been as entertained by DD books since the days of Miller.


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Isaac
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think, like Stephan, that Karen's death has been mourned "long enough". Well, long enough, can be, but not properly. Wasn't it a little shocking Matt's relation with Echo so little time after Karen's death? I hope Brubaker brings it to and end, properly, in the next issue. Almost every woman related to Matt dies, but he's been with Karen for the very beggining, it's not like Glorianna's oder Heather's deaths...
By the way, I feel Brubaker is too fast, just like Bendis was too slow. Why didn't he do it a 48-page special? But I think the reason is that he has good ideas for Daredevil and he wanted to close Bendis' opened storyline as quick as possible. And please, Mr. Brubaker, quit smoking if you do and don't dare to roam bad neighbourhoods or something like that before having your future storylines secured in some safebox. Sad
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Stephan
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, but remember - in DD Vol. #2 #56-60 Bendis suggested that Matt had suffered a mental breakdown (one that lasted for an extended period of time) and that it stemmed from Karen's death. This matter has been dealt with repeatedly, and it is growing tiresome. Karen's demise undoubtedly had an indelible impact on Matt. But it should not be revisited every 5-10 issues.

Incidentally (and bear in mind that I am a diehard follower of DD), I have long questioned the depth of Matt's feelings for Karen. As I noted, this was not a harmonious relationship. They separated countless times, and with good reason. Matt is tormented by Karen's passing, that is indisputable. But this is primarily because it is a reminder of the pivotal event in his life. The event that truly haunts him - the tragic death of his Father. Each loss Matt has suffered - Heather, Glorianna, Karen - is a reminder of this tragedy. This is why Matt had a mental collapse in the aftermath of Heather's suicide, Glorianna's slaying by Kruel, and Karen's murder. Battling Jack's death was traumatic and scarring, and Matt is still plagued by it. Matt mourns for his Father - not Karen. Perhaps Matt will come to this realization eventually.

Nevertheless, #93 was a stirring and riveting work!
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