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Pete Fall From Grace
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 417 Location: Liverpool, UK
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Great exchange here between fox 'n' Forrest. I can't comment on the issue in question yet as I've yet to read it. #86 was eventful, by which I mean things moved at a pace that hasn't been seen in the title for ages. I'm on record here in saying that #85 was a bit of a dissapointment for me in the way it actually reminded me of a Bendis type pacing. I loved the Bendis/Maleev run, yet hope the Bru issues bear their own distinctive attributes. I know he's picking up were Bendis left off, but I don't want to read sub-par Bendis. Judging by what I've read thus far, its looking good.
As for him being an 'absolute genius', yeah. Becky is back. Of course he is.
And the 'hype' thing? I think you both make valid points here. It is prevelant. Yet it has been around for ages. Stan Lee created the Marvel Universe and was never one to hold back on the hype. Almost every Marvel cover of the sixties at one point proclaims the contents therein to be the Best Thing Ever. The Fantastic Four bore the 'World's Greatest Comic Magazine' tag from about #3. That's like, early 1962? The Marvel Bullpen Bulletins page was the Capital of Hype.
I do think, however, that in all these cases the hype was actually justified. Lee changed the face of an industry. As much as I love the Bendis run on DD, I soon learned to switch off from the hype that surrounded each new issue, as it just couldn't live up to that level of expectation. I think its a problem with the industry in general these days, has been since around the early 1990's, and Joey Q seems to revel in it. Now, I love Guardian Devil, but I don't see him changing the face of the industry. Unless you count the above average amount of stuff I see coming out of Marvel that is unoriginal, pretentious and dull.
Too many creators sprang up in the wake of the genius of the likes of Miller and Moore in the mid to late 1980's that did one or two 'good things' and thought they were revolutionising comic books. The hype said they were. They probably started to believe it themselves. A short time later and I can't even remember who they were or what they did.
I know I'll read Bendis/Maleev in years to come and love it, but I'll love it for all the right reasons, and not the hype that Bendis and so many of his contemporaries revel in. |
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Forrest Lowlife
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Good call, Pete!
Good points on Stan Lee's hype. I LOVE Stan Lee's work! That mixed with the fact that I'm reading it ~40 years later, after he really did revolutionize comics and superheros, the hype seems so very justified. Not just that, his zanny style made the hype an energetic part of the book, like a circus ringleader's hype. While modern comic hype comes across more like a politician's hype.
I think Brubaker's first arc has quite clearly stated that he has no intention of emulating Bendis's DD style. We're going to Europe!!! _________________ "Flash is back. Worlds will die again!" |
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Pete Fall From Grace
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 417 Location: Liverpool, UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Forrest wrote: | I LOVE Stan Lee's work! That mixed with the fact that I'm reading it ~40 years later, after he really did revolutionize comics and superheros, the hype seems so very justified. |
Indeed. To read any comic book pre - 'Fantastic Four #1 is to step into another world. As innovative as Siegal and Schuster with Superman, or Bob Kane and Bill Finger with Batman were, (and any comic book superhero owes so much to these creators) it's all one dimensional to the stuff produced by Lee, Kirby, Ditko etc. Anything after FF #1, especially Marvel, and you can clearly see the link to modern-day superhero comic books. Sure it seems tame by todays standards, even corny to some. But there is a clear link between then and now.
I think part of Lee's genius actually goes overlooked. Yeah, he created or co-created all these great characters. Lots of 'em. It could have been easy to spread the workload and just to sit back and watch the money roll in. Comic books weren't considered 'high art' or anything back then. But when the workload became too great he wasn't prepared to hand over the reins on some titles until the right guy came along. And it was a stroke of genius that he waited and picked people like Roy Thomas etc |
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Forrest Lowlife
Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Agreed 100%, Pete! I have not doubt that Stan Lee is and may always be the greatest comic creator ever. To this day, Stan Lee is one of my favorite DD writers. _________________ "Flash is back. Worlds will die again!" |
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Clayton Blind Love Redemption
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 772 Location: Beautiful British Columbia
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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"In Mortal Combat with... Sub-Mariner!"
Enough said!
C. _________________ Love is blindness, I don't want to see
Won't you wrap the night around me |
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