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Are Kingpin and Bullseye overexposed?

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Forrest
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Are Kingpin and Bullseye overexposed?

The Master Meglomaniac wrote:

Have Bullseye and Kingpin become overexposed? are they in danger of becomming stale? Should they take a vacation? Should some other rogue take center stage for a while?

Yep.

DD should take on different superpowered and unpowered villains, which is exactly what Brubaker seems to be doing.

While I agree that Kingpin and Bullseye are being overused, I think there could be fascinating Vanessa Fisk stories.
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:54 pm Post subject:

james castle wrote:

The Master Meglomaniac wrote:

james castle wrote:

No but the idea that they are certainly gets too much play.

Whatever man, I'm sorry but their so overexposed that their just recyling the same stories with those characters, how many times can Bullseye kill or try kill one of DD's girlfriend, how many times can DD destroy the Kingpin's empire, cause a gang war, only for him to rebuild the empire a little while later. If their going keep using these villains over and over again, you think they could at least not have do reclying the same plot lines over and over again.

Besides how can you say Bullseye isn't overexposed after all those minis?

But how many times has Bullseye killed or tryed to kill one of DD's girlfriends? Like three? Elektra. Karen. Milla. I guess he tried to kill Blackwidow before but that doesn't count cuz he would have tried to kill her anyway. Three times in the whole history of DD.

As for Kingpin you say "how many times can DD destroy the Kingpin's empire, cause a gang war, only for him to rebuild the empire a little while later"? At my count this has happened twice. First during Last Rites and then again during Hardcore. Of course the way in which Kingpin was brought down in those instances were vastly different so I'm not even sure anyone should care that there was repetition.

Look, if you describe each instance that DD fights KP and BE in super vague terms (i.e. "they fight") then of course it seem repetitious. In reality, however, it ain't.

We have to take into account that Kingpin and Bullseye have really only become overexposed in the last ten years or so. Take Bullseye, in 2000 he killed Karen Page and in his next major appearance he tries to kill Milla. Also the fallout from Last Rites lasted over years, just as the fallout from Underboss has (Hardcore is an extension of the fallout from Underboss).

It also may have only happened twice, the length of those two occurances makes the distance between less relevant. If Kingpin returns again, won't just he try to rebuild his empire again and thus it would be possible that DD will just knock it down again in the next few years.

Besides logically both Bullseye and Kingpin need to time to recover from their past defeats. Kingpin is wounded and still in prison, Bullseye also only recently recovered from his injuries and is still in prison (it kinda pissed me off that Bullseye was able to recover from 2 broken legs so quickly, felt like plot device to me.) They need to time recover, lick their wounds, plot and scheme on how to best enact their revenge. Kingpin needs to time for his wounds to heal and to find a way to beat that murder charge, such actions would not occur in a few weeks. after a suitable time has past, after Kingpin and Bullseye have recovered their defeats and are ready to for revenge, then they should explode on the scene. That will have a greater impact then those two making their play right away, which would make them like sloppy and impatient.

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The Overlord
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Are Kingpin and Bullseye overexposed?

Forrest wrote:

The Master Meglomaniac wrote:

Have Bullseye and Kingpin become overexposed? are they in danger of becomming stale? Should they take a vacation? Should some other rogue take center stage for a while?

That's interesting, perhaps they should touch on Sammy Silke's dad, have him come to NYC to take over the mobs and get revenge for his son's death. He had been mentioned a lot in Underboss so it may cool to see him in person, in his own arc. Also now that many of the big crime bosses are now in jail (Kingpin, Hammerhead, Owl, Jigsaw, etc) perhaps some of the super powered freaks could be causing choas in Hell's kitchen, while DD was in prison perhaps bring back some old foes like Purple Man, Mr. Hyde, Mr. Fear, Typhoid Mary, perhaps use some villains from other parts of the MU universe like Taskmaster or even introduce some new foes. All of that will give Kingpin and Bullseye time to recover from their defeats, plan their revenge and really explode on the scene at a later date.

james castle
Devil in Cell-Block D

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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject:

The Master Meglomaniac wrote:

Besides logically both Bullseye and Kingpin need to time to recover from their past defeats. Kingpin is wounded and still in prison, Bullseye also only recently recovered from his injuries and is still in prison (it kinda pissed me off that Bullseye was able to recover from 2 broken legs so quickly, felt like plot device to me.) They need to time recover, lick their wounds, plot and scheme on how to best enact their revenge. Kingpin needs to time for his wounds to healand to find a way to beat that murder charge, such actions would not occur in a few weeks. after a suitable time has past, after Kingpin and Bullseye have recovered their defeats and are ready to for revenge, then they should explode on the scene. That will have a greater impact then those two making their play right away, which would make them like sloppy and impatient.

Wait, so now you're saying that there are long intervals between similar BE/KP stories? And that's what makes them over exposed? Surely you're kidding.
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject:

james castle wrote:

The Master Meglomaniac wrote:

Wait, so now you're saying that there are long intervals between similar BE/KP stories? And that's what makes them over exposed? Surely you're kidding.

There are not long intervals in between BE/KP appearances, not is not what I'm saying and that does not support facts. Kingpin and Bullseye have both appeared in the last two arcs, one after the other, how does that consititue a "long interval"? What I said is there should be a long interval between their appearance Devil in Cell Block D and KP/BE's next appearance.

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