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The Overlord
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If brubaker is willing to revamp a z grade goober like Matador, maybe he will revamp other B list DD villains during his run.
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Forrest
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Readers often complain about DD's 'rogue gallery,' but the blame is not on the characters themselves, but the DD writers. We're all aware at how addicted most DD writers are to repeating the same basic Miller DD format with Bullseye, the Hand, Elektra and/or Kingpin being one or more of the major players. (Of course, writers like Kesel are clear deviations from this trend.) This leads to a very thin base of well developed DD villains.
At their core, Spider-man villains, X-Men villains, etc., are no better than DD villains. (Have you read the first appearances of some of these Stan Lee villains?) Sure, some like Stilt Man are just doomed to fail, but others like Purple Man, Owl, Danny Guitar, Gael, Mr. Fear, Starr Saxon, etc. were just neglected (even if the did die  ) by modern DD writers in favor of resorting back to the Miller holy trinity of Kingpin, Bullseye and Elektra.
This book suffers from Miller envy. This is not Miller's book. It's Stan Lee's book, Roy Thomas's, Nocenti's, etc. Just based on the fact that we see the Matador on an upcoming cover means that Brubaker understands that DD did not begin with issue #158. Brubaker is going to bring DD to new levels and revive a rich past that most DD writers are afraid of, in favor of the more simple Miller DD past.
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The Overlord
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| Forrest wrote: | Readers often complain about DD's 'rogue gallery,' but the blame is not on the characters themselves, but the DD writers. We're all aware at how addicted most DD writers are to repeating the same basic Miller DD format with Bullseye, the Hand, Elektra and/or Kingpin being one or more of the major players. (Of course, writers like Kesel are clear deviations from this trend.) This leads to a very thin base of well developed DD villains.
At their core, Spider-man villains, X-Men villains, etc., are no better than DD villains. (Have you read the first appearances of some of these Stan Lee villains?) Sure, some like Stilt Man are just doomed to fail, but others like Purple Man, Owl, Danny Guitar, Gael, Mr. Fear, Starr Saxon, etc. were just neglected (even if the did die ) by modern DD writers in favor of resorting back to the Miller holy trinity of Kingpin, Bullseye and Elektra.
This book suffers from Miller envy. This is not Miller's book. It's Stan Lee's book, Roy Thomas's, Nocenti's, etc. Just based on the fact that we see the Matador on an upcoming cover means that Brubaker understands that DD did not begin with issue #158. Brubaker is going to bring DD to new levels and revive a rich past that most DD writers are afraid of, in favor of the more simple Miller DD past. |
That's true the best thing Miller did for DD was establish a dark atmosphere for DDD, but I am kida sick of writers constantly recyling his old storylines, its like many writers after Miller were afraid to try their try out thier own ideas and try escape from Miller's shadow. I think brubkaer knows its good to use the atmosphere Miller created without rehashing his old ideas.
Since your a DC fany boy I guess you know that before Geoff Johns came along Flash's rogues gallery was considered pretty lame, then he revamped them into one of the most respected rogues gallery around. I think someone like brubaker could revamp some of the B list dD villains and give dD a decent rogues gallery. |
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Francesco
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| By the way, is that really Tombstone? He looks more like a new villain, maybe inspired by that Alan Scott's foe (the big undead guy). |
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Forrest
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| The Master Meglomaniac wrote: | | Since your a DC fany boy I guess you know that before Geoff Johns came along Flash's rogues gallery was considered pretty lame, then he revamped them into one of the most respected rogues gallery around. I think someone like brubaker could revamp some of the B list dD villains and give dD a decent rogues gallery. |
Exactly.
| Francesco wrote: | | By the way, is that really Tombstone? He looks more like a new villain, maybe inspired by that Alan Scott's foe (the big undead guy). |
Thinking of Solomon Grundy?
...what is Tombstone's nationality?
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Francesco
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, Solomon Grundy!
Tombstone's nationality? I think he is American. An albino afro-american who gained superhuman strenght and durability by who knows what means, and then sharpened his teeth and fingernails to gain a threatening vampire-like appearence.
Still, I doubt that big guy to be Tombstone.
I agree about the fact that Bru could revamp old villains. Also, I think he has the potential to create new villains for DD's rogue gallery. |
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rgj
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nott4141
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[quote="rgj"]Not only is Tombstone making an appearance, but it seems Bru is going to try to give some cred to the Matador. Matador is not one of my favs, but maybe Bru might actually pull it off. Ole!rgj[/quote]
I once remember a posting on this site that had to do with histories for Ultimate DD characters. Does anyone have ideas for a revamped Matador? What can Brubaker do to make this a fairly respectable chaater?[/code] |
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Francesco
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| rgj wrote: | http://www.manwithoutfear.com/previews/ddPREVIEWS.shtml?title=ddII91
Marvel says it's Tombstone. |
Whoops, didn't check that (you know, to avoid storyline spoilers). Well, I can't wait to see how our hero will handle him. |
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The Overlord
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| Francesco wrote: |
I agree about the fact that Bru could revamp old villains. Also, I think he has the potential to create new villains for DD's rogue gallery. |
Brubaker can do what Johns did Flash's rogues gallery, revamp some old villains and create same new ones at the same time. |
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greenwalrus
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I have only two things to say:
1. This did an amzing job explaining Foggy's motivations for faking his death and abandoning Matt in a way that made sense and was in character. I was concerned that that would be difficult to pull it off.
2. I would have liked to see some acknowledgment that Karen Page was more than just another of Matt's girlfriends to Foggy. It seems like most of the writers since her death have forgotten that. |
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Solid Snake PAC
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| Well I think Foggy meant that Karen was a girlfriend just in a general sense of the thing. Just by the visual cue given to her death...I mean...I bet he could dwell on many things that have come across his lap due to Matt and Foggy's relationship. |
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