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Daredevil #93 (Spoilers)
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Grade DD #93
A+
25%
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A
37%
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A-
16%
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B+
16%
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B
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
B-
0%
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C+
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C
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The Overlord
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephan wrote:
Ah, but remember - in DD Vol. #2 #56-60 Bendis suggested that Matt had suffered a mental breakdown (one that lasted for an extended period of time) and that it stemmed from Karen's death. This matter has been dealt with repeatedly, and it is growing tiresome. Karen's demise undoubtedly had an indelible impact on Matt. But it should not be revisited every 5-10 issues.

Incidentally (and bear in mind that I am a diehard follower of DD), I have long questioned the depth of Matt's feelings for Karen. As I noted, this was not a harmonious relationship. They separated countless times, and with good reason. Matt is tormented by Karen's passing, that is indisputable. But this is primarily because it is a reminder of the pivotal event in his life. The event that truly haunts him - the tragic death of his Father. Each loss Matt has suffered - Heather, Glorianna, Karen - is a reminder of this tragedy. This is why Matt had a mental collapse in the aftermath of Heather's suicide, Glorianna's slaying by Kruel, and Karen's murder. Battling Jack's death was traumatic and scarring, and Matt is still plagued by it. Matt mourns for his Father - not Karen. Perhaps Matt will come to this realization eventually.

Nevertheless, #93 was a stirring and riveting work!


Yeah but Karen death was more or less an after thought explaination for the mental break out, that arc didn't explore his feelings about Karen's death in any sort of detail, it was just a means to explain Matt's breakdown.

It seems like Matt has more or less repressed his feelings about Karen (besides saying "I miss Karen" now and again) and the writers have not dealt with Matt's reaction to Karen's death in a meaningful way. Ignoring it would be a mistake, let Matt truly confront these feelings so they can be put to rest. The fact is Matt can be touched by deaths other than his father's and Matt did love Karen despite the flaws in their relationship (a lot of real couples love eachother and have screwed up relationships). The only way to resolve these issues to confront them, not ignore them.
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fox_limbo
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah. Here we go! Karen's death.

Let's get down to the brass-tacks of this.

Both Stephan and Overlord bring up valid points on this.

Matt's mental breakdown was only a theory presented by Ben Urich, it is not concrete fact. Given the probability of it, Matt's reaction to those words Ben presented, it was simply accepted (although some readers refused to outright accept it); the thing is, it was never outright explained or expanded upon... it was, simply, dropped.

THe only time Matt properly mourned Karen was at the funeral and playing the piano in DD#9, when Natasha crashed his pity-party. That's it! Matt mourned Foggy's "death" more than he mourned Karen's. Foggy and Karen had been with Matt since DD#1 (vol. 1) and the history of their relationships should garner more than a handful of pages of comic book continuity. Hell, Matt mourned Eletra's death more so, and the history of their relationship pales in scale to that of the relationship between Matt and Karen.

Matt was not allowed to mourn her death. Period.

The fact that Matt still loves, and misses, Karen (despite his love and marriage with Milla) seems to strike a cord. Some people feel it is senseless and inconsequential that Karen's death still remains a tragedy. If you talk to an 80 year old man (or woman), they will still talk fondly of a spouce despite their passing 10, 15, or even 20 years ago. It represents the fact that the person that passed had emotionally, and perhaps spiritually, penetrated that person. The passing of a loved one still stings and the tragedy still lingers, no matter how much time happens to pass. Perhaps, in an odd way, people's mourning for someone is a celebration of that person.

Keep in mind, Matt's feelings for Karen had resurfaced due to his exposure to Lilly's "perfume", which brought Karen back, in an emotionally and subconscious level. Given everything Matt has been dealing with, his love and respect of Karen had been buried. His resolved feelings and emotions of Karen's death had simply resurfaced.

Matt had not properly healed from and mourned Karen's death. It's that simple.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I opted for "B". Here's why:

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/reviews/117043317648144.htm

It was a tough one for me. The book is technically not badly written or drawn, but I feel like the way it tied up all the loose ends of the last 5+ years cheapened it a little. There's some good stuff in there, and I'll probably keep reading DD, but it felt like a cop-out after such a huge story has been running for so long.

Can you tell I'm a bit conflicted about this? Smile
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Clayton Blind Love
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, for the record I went with "B+" when I maybe should of gone with "A-".

First off, let it be known that I think Ed is the master of pacing. I am quite in awe at how well the prison scene played out between Matt and Wilson. Choice words exchanged leading to the single most brilliant panel of Wilson's expression telling it all. Bru and Lark truly act as one person telling a story as this scene shows.

I was as happy as little school girl when everyone was reunited. No, I don't mind admitting this. Very Happy

I was very happy to see that Bru is taking Becky places and that she is not disappearing anytime soon. Yay Becky! (there is that happy little school girl again)

I think the only disappointment I have with this issue is the fact that it really feels like a reset. A quick reset. Bru has assured us this isn't the case and, obviously, the man knows what lies ahead while we all have to hang on for another 30 and so on.

I am going to continue to sound like a broken record here. Forgive me. I want my OVERSIZED Bru/Lark DD hardcovers!

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Ed Brubaker
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys, maybe your idea of a reset and mine are different. Having Matt be able to practice law in some form again is not a reset to me. Bendis' last few years on the book were about Matt losing everything, my first year was about how far that can go, and now, it's about him trying to get back as much as he can. Whether he succeeds or not is what comes next. It's a pendulum swing, not a reset. Until the Murdock Papers story, Matt was practicing law and the feds were leaving him alone. That's the only true change coming out of this last issue.

And a point on the review, Dave -- Matt was not expelled from the BAR. He was not convicted of a crime. At the most, he would have had his license suspended until the case was decided. With the govt. dropping charges, it wouldn't have been hard to get his license reinstated.

I know some of you feel a lot happened quickly, but that was the intent. I view the whole first year as one big arc, and wanted a definitive end, basically.

If it comes out in a nice big oversized hardback, you'll be happy that it does, I think.
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Stephan
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reiterate - #93 was a remarkable work, and Brubaker has done a prodigious job thus far. The secret identity revelation story was interminably long, and it was time to bring it to a close. It was becoming monotonous. Matt was incarcerated for Heaven's sake - what more could possibly transpire? The protagonist was imprisoned, and paid the ultimate price for the disclosure of his secret identity! What more could be done? Matt has endured more agony and experienced more hardship than any comic icon in history! It's time to give him a breather! If unending, perpetual suffering amuses you, purchase another comic. #93 was the denouement of the secret identity saga, and it was both welcome and necessary.

Carry on, Mr. Brubaker.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly, thanks for stopping in and posting here, again, Ed.

In my mind, the "re-set" is more than Matt getting back to practicing law (and the reuniting of Matt and Foggy). It is also about Matt being outted (like I said before, with Spider-Man and the business of Civil War, it has made the concept of a superhero losing control of his public personae and the lingering purgatory of the "secret" identity being made public knowledge and the ramifications with that) and the legal situations that would arise if a thing like this were to happen (and given that Matt's occupation is a lawyer, the legal sensitivity to this would be amplified, I would think). I felt that Matt being outted was the equivilant of "Spider-Man Menace", during the Stan Lee / Steve Ditko days, where every step the character made was under the microscope and scrutinized, and he had to duck from authority figures. That situation is similar to the situation that Matt faces (or more aptly put, had faced). With all the recent developments, there is now doubt in the idea that Matt Murdock is Daredevil. Granted, it was never outright spelled out, but the "urban legend" of the Blind Lawyer / Vigilante was certainly palpable and, I felt, could still have a number of stories being told within that template / backdrop. Now that there is concrete doubt about the idea of Matt being Daredevil, the idea (in the public conscious, both in the book and the Readers of the title) will fade. There was no real conscenquence of it, the character came out of it unscathed, and arguably, may not have learned a thing from it.

The Daredevil, now, is re-set to where he was, full-circle. And the events of Bendis's run are now rendered inconsequential (some Readers may actually applause this fact).

That's my argument on the "re-set" issue, for better or worse.

Regardless, the way everything fell (back) together, and the way everything was handled, on both a concrete and visceral level, with all the characters in play. It has been an incredible ride. Thanks, Ed.

Rest assured, I am waiting for the next chapter....
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary defines mystique as "an aura of mystery or mystical power surrounding a particular occupation or pursuit." In my estimation, Brubaker is restoring the mystique of vigilantism. DD should be a mysterious, enigmatic, inscrutable figure who strikes terror into the hearts of NYC criminals. This is the essence of DD. Divulging DDs identity was a mistake, inasmuch as it robbed him of his mystique. Now, DD can become the scourge of the underworld he once was.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see what you're saying Stephan, but I'm not sure if I completely agree with it.

Sure, part of the Daredevil mystique may be the mystery of the man behind the mask. But I'm not so sure that Matt being pin-pointed as the man that occupies the crimson tights, despite the public unmasking in the bar (which, it has been stated that the lighting of the bar obscured the identification of the face, specifically) almost seemed to amplify the "ghostly" quality of Daredevil.

No, seriously, hear me out. People may completely disagree with me, but that's fine.

Matt Murdock was ambushed by the Yazuka, still the onlookers and the passers-by could not identify the man that faught like hell, itself. Even the FBI trailed him and he slipped through their grasp. The "ghostly" quality of Daredevil had been amplified. Matt Murdock and Daredevil, synonimously became urban legend. And with that, I feel the mystique of the character was re-interpreted and re-defined.

But, again, that's just me.
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Ed Brubaker
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox_limbo wrote:
I felt that Matt being outted was the equivilant of "Spider-Man Menace", during the Stan Lee / Steve Ditko days, where every step the character made was under the microscope and scrutinized, and he had to duck from authority figures.

There was no real conscenquence of it, the character came out of it unscathed, and arguably, may not have learned a thing from it.

The Daredevil, now, is re-set to where he was, full-circle. And the events of Bendis's run are now rendered inconsequential (some Readers may actually applause this fact).


You are correct on the comparison to the Spider-Man Menace idea, but you are completely wrong on the other two points I quoted above.

First of all -- not every issue of Spider-Man was about the "menace" idea. It cropped up from time to time, whenever it best suited the needs of the story. That is arguably how Matt's situation has been since Bendis' run began. For all you know, that will continue to be how it is.

But to say that Matt being able to try to get his life back means that the things that took it away become inconsequential is flat out wrong. He was put through the wringer, he lost almost everything that mattered to him, he was thrown in jail and nearly went insane. That is consequence. That is the reason he's trying to get his life back to normal, because of what happened to him. And if what you're saying were true, then you're essentially saying that I'm also invalidating my OWN first 11 issues on the book by writing my 12th one, and I refuse to accept that. It's like saying that the splash panel of Matt and Karen holding hands at the end of Born Again invalidates the previous 100 pages of that story. Sorry, but it doesn't.
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