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[james castle]

[rgj]

[The Overlord]

[Sandman]

I actually read The Hood mini-series when it came it out. I thought it was pretty enjoyable and wanted to see more of the character. I picked up Beyond! simply on the grounds that The Hood was in it as well.

While Beyond was enjoyable, it didn't accurately portray The Hood as he had been in his mini. It seemed that all he did in Beyond was shoot at things lamely and miss.

So I've had hopes that The Hood would be used again, and admittedly, I'd like to see the character succeed -just because I enjoyed the mini so much.

-BUT - I can't see any way at all that he should become the new master villain. -He has wits compared to no-brainers like Constrictor and Shocker, but to put him up against THE AVENGERS!?!?!?! Even being a fan of the character, I absolutely cringe at Bendis' new ideas for him. He's a villain with the desire to be an up and comer, but this is out of his league. It's like saying Foggy upholds the law so he should lead SHIELD.

[Forrest]

rgj and jc, all I have to say is "52."

I did a complete 180 from Marvel to DC, the year when Marvel was doing House of M and DC was doing the Infinite Crisis build up. Don't get me wrong, I don't think a reader should pick one company or the other but it was just coincidence that one started getting worse while the other starting tearing it up. Sure, 2006 was a bit rough for DC but the overall game plan has always been trying to put out good comics and 2007 is going to be one heck of a rebound for DC. Meanwhile, Marvel is slipping further and further into hollow gimmicks (e.g. too many examples to list but I can't resist bringing up Thunderbolts again ). Sure, they're making tons of cash with shallow marketing but then again, so did the Backstreet Boys.

....sorry, my soapbox.
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[The Overlord]

[Forrest]

This is an interesting concept. A "kingpin" of supervillains will always have a major weakness: crazy villains, of which they are TONS!

A usual crime boss/kingpin gets his way through power and fear. So, he is susceptible to anyone who is either more powerful and/or not afraid. Think about how many psycho villains out there cannot be threatened on any real level because they don't have any people or things in their lives they care about.

...sorry for this DC example but I just haven't been reading much Marvel:

Think about the Joker who ultimately brought down the mastermind behind Infinite Crisis. The Joker is by no means more powerful than Alex Luthor but he is fearless in a sense. He is so crazy and uncontrollable that he was intentionally avoided when Alex rallied the villains together.

Fisk would regularly sit in a room with his arch enemies (Spidey, DD, etc.), fairly unguarded. This new kingpin won't last long with these "kingpin in the tower" confrontations because he'll have supervillain enemies who will be out to kill him without regard to consequences and with nothing to lose, quite unlike the hero enemies of Fisk.

Different note, how would The Hood stand up to the likes of Hydra, Dr. Doom, etc.?

Regarding The Hood, I'm going to pass. I LOVE Jenkins 1st Sentry mini and I got extremely excited about the Sentry's inclusion in the New Avengers and simply returning to the Marvel U. Since then, it has been a very mediocre ride for the Sentry. Considering the way that these Bendis-out-of-left-field characters have been treated, I'm afraid The Hood may face similar fate.
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[The Overlord]

Well Forrest, there two types of villains, crazy ones and professional ones. Professional villains have a major advanatge over crazy villains, they are far more organized. To use a DC example, look at the Rogues, Flash's enemies. They are almost like a super villain union, they are organized and that's one of the reasons they can cause problems for Flash. They are a bigger threat to the Flash then lone psychos like Murmur. Now the Rogues aren't that ruthless, they still stick to robbing banks and likely wouldn't get into the drug trade, they commit crimes for fun (they enjoy matching wits with Flash) and seem to avoid civilian deaths if possible. A super villain mafia group would just as organized and more ruthless than the Rogues, making them very dangerous. If such a group were created, it would be hard for a random crazy to take them down.

The only reason Alex Luthor died is because at the end of crossover, he went down the wrong the alley and got blind sided by Luthor and Joker. Alex Luthor didn't have any of his resoruces or alies, so its not Joker or Lex did anything that impressive when they killed him. If Kingpin went down an alley and met Carnage there he would be dead too. Frankly Kingpin is lucky that a random crazy like Carnage or even Doc Ock never tried to kill him. However it would be hard for a random crazy villain to take down Count Nefaria, considering he is an evil Superman.

[Forrest]

[The Overlord]

[Forrest]

[james castle]

Ahhhh, this is all very sketch. As Overlord points out, in order to have a Kingpin of supervillians you need to have some weird supervilian business model thing. As far as I'm concerned this is another non-starter as far as the House of Ideas' ideas.

Who would be in this Evil Corp.? The thing is, the Kingpin made sense because all of his employees made sense. They were the mob. He was the mob. Every once and a while he'd hire some costumed assassins (Bullseye, Nuke, Typhoid) but over all he was just the mafia. The whole evil corporation made sense because Kingpin and all his employees wanted the same thing.

This same thinking just doesn't apply to supervillians. Some villians want money, sure, but by no means most of them. All the X-Men supervillians traditionally have markedly different goals other than money. And as Forrest points out, some villians don't have any goals. They're just crazy.

I think Marvel just wants to have press conferences where people say "cool" things like "he'll be the Kingpin of supervillians" without actually thinking it through.

Boo.
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JC

So why can't you see the funny side?
Why aren't you laughing?

[Forrest]

jc, you basically said what I meant to say with all those posts, only more clear and concise than I did.

...I try not to come across too negative when this sort of recent Marvel news comes up because I don't want to appear biased... even though I am biased.

I just can't get behind 90% of the big ideas going around in the House of Ideas, these days. Even worse, many of these big Marvel ideas, like the new Thunderbolts, Wolverine Origins, yet another Ronin mystery, the end of Civil War #2, Civil War in general, etc., leave me with very negative reactions. It's getting to the point were I can't tell if Marvel is really getting this bad or if I'm just getting extremely biased.
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"Flash is back. Worlds will die again!"

[The Overlord]

[Stephan]