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james castle · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject:

Okay, so the finished product is out.

So it's a fan film. But what were they fans of? Not Daredevil obviously.
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Dimetre · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject:

Given that it's a fan film, I'm really impressed with the production value in some scenes. (Some more than others.)

They obviously put a lot of work into this, so obviously they did this out of a love for Frank Miller's work. The adaptation to the short film is a little simplistic. (Elektra is saved by the power of love.) And I could have done without the Avrilesque song. But I love the impact of the final scene, and the Elektra/Bullseye fight is very well done.

All in all, kudos to these guys for putting this together!

train · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject:

Jim B. · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject:

Pretty girl. She looks more like Elektra than Jennifer Garner ever did that's for sure.

If you take it for what it is (made by a fan) it was okay. I actually thought they did Elektra's and DD's costumes not too badly either I am surprised.
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Dash · Flying Blind Joined: 29 Oct 2008 Posts: 94

I'm sorry...I couldn't even finish it.

At times like these, we're prompted to give kudos because of reasons like..."better than I could do"..."atleast they tried"..."could have been worse"

While maybe this is better than I could do, I'm not even going to touch on how this could have been worse. So I'll go with "atleast they tried".

The whole movie (the portion that I watched) seemed like a big experiment in what not to do in film making. I'm not sure of the production time of this movie, but one of my main criticisms is that it lacks polish. And by polish, I don't mean that it has to look professional. It just seemed like that it needed more time in development. (ie...more work on Daredevil's costume, making the lines more believable, better fight sequences,better editing) The camera quality also took away from it, but they did alright with what they had. You can't really penalize them for not buying a $5,000 camera for a fan film.

While I don't claim to be a great actor. The dialogue in this movie made me cringe whenever they spoke. Never did I adapt to it and fall into the experience. I knew this movie wasn't going to be awesome, but I went into it attempting to enjoy it.

The acting, like almost everything else, seems forced and awkward. Each line had the undertone of them yelling "I"M ACTING...I'M DAREDEVIL AND I'M ACTING". I've seen more natural acting at high school plays.

Perhaps I'm not up on my copyright laws or if this movie even qualifies. But everybody saying "the Devil" got extremely annoying. Come on. They could use Elektra's name. So why not Matt Murdock, Daredevil, Bullseye. Something. It wasn't artsy, it wasn't adding to the mystery or the story. It was just annoying.

I could probably go on forever. But at the end of the day, this is a fan film. Which means it was made by fans for fans. And I appreciate they took the time to make it. Its good to see people enjoying the comics that much to take it upon themselves to make a fan film for nothing in return.

While I did not particularly enjoy this movie, I do hope more fan films are made. Hopefully future film makers will use this movie as a learning experience and keep on improving them.

I give this film...
1 1/2 hacky sacks out of 5

jumonji · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject:

Honestly? I really didn't think it was that bad. Costumes always look terrible in real life unless you're willing to spend a fortune on them, you don't have access to any special effects, and there are no stuntmen. The dialogue could have been better and the same goes for the acting, but on the whole I quite enjoyed it for what it was. It's a fan project and I do feel the love for the characters there.
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james castle · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject:

Doesn't the fact that they completely changed the story bother anyone?

It's like if someone made a fan film of Hamlet and at the end everyone had a party and then a pillow fight. If I saw that I'd assume the people who made it didn't really like Hamlet that much.
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jumonji · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject:

Jim B. · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject:

Ya a bit but at the same time I'm not too worried about it because it's just a fan film. My expectations we're not too high. Now if it a big budget movie I expect it to be better and close to the source material. (MSJ are you reading this? Mad

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blinky500 · Flying Blind Joined: 17 Nov 2008 Posts: 12

Hey everyone. My name is Chris .R. Notarile, I am the director of the Elektra fan film. I read all of your comments and I want to thank those who supported the film. I guess I did raise a few questions so I'm here to answer them.

1. Why did I change the story? Well I was pretty spot on with the death of Elektra and partially correct with the resurrection. But with the her fight with Daredevil, that's where I took the creative liscense. I wanted to do something simple and to the point, the point was that love conquers all. And Elektra and Mat are always connected. Also I think it was a little closer to the source material when in comparrison to the Hollywood Elektra and Daredevil films.

2. Why did everyone call DD the devil? Cause it was cool. That's all. I just thought it sounded more cryptic than Daredevil. I figure the only people who call DD by his full name are American villains liked Kingpin or Bullseye. Someone like Elektra or the resurrectionist would instead call him, the devil because they lack that informal relationship, if that makes any sense.

3. The production quality, what gives? I shot this film on HD believe it or not. Youtube has a funny way of taking everything I've shot and compressing it horribly to the point that it looks like it could have been shot on home video. Budget wise, we had nothing. No money whatsoever. We shot in Chinatown, NYC in the blistering cold no less. As far as my shots are concerned, I wanted to keep everything grounded. I wanted the camera to be there for the fights the whole time. We also used all natural lighting since were did not have the ability to lug lights around nor did we have a place to plug them in. FYI- I had no crew either. It was just me and a camera. I'm not trying to make an excuse for anything, just wanted to fill you all in.

4. The costumes. I purposely chose to keep the costumes loyal to the comics. It was a must for me. I didn't like either of Elektra's movie costumes. I enjoyed the DD leather suit, but I wanted spandex this time around. I just don't understand how a blind man all of the sudden knows how to do intricate leather work. I figure in my case, he bought red under armor and sewed a mask some how. Bullseye on the other hand was a practical amalgamation of the comic and movie version. The scene where he followed Elektra to Matt's house in the comics, to me didn't make much sense for him to keep his mask on. So I gave him street cloths with a removable mask so he can blend in more easily.

5. The perfomance. For the short schedule we had with all of the unforseen circumstances that happened that I won't go into, I just tried to make due with what I had. I think Elektra did a great job. Bullseye did leave something to be desired in my opinion, but thankfully he didn't have much to say. As for DD, I think he had his moments. There were times where I think he could have been stronger, but I feel nothing in his performance took away from the film.

So anyhoo, I hope that helps. Sorry my response was so long, but I wanted to be as thorough as possible.

Thanks for watching.

Chris
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james castle · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject:

With regard to the production values, the stunts and even the acting I think they were all great. They were definately in the "way better than I could possibly ever do" catagory which is the standard by which anything fan made should be judged.

Still, I take issue with the story. It's all well and good to want to take some creative license and make the point you want to make but it really is akin to having Hamlet survive at the end. Or making a Batman fanfilm where his parents show up and it turns out they just faked their death in order to punk Bruce.

Bullseye kills Elektra. Check. The Hand resurrect Elektra. Nope. And she comes back as zombie lady (nope) who thinks she still works for the Kingpin (nope) but is saved (nope) by Matt (nope) when he takes off his mask (?).

blinky500 · Flying Blind Joined: 17 Nov 2008 Posts: 12

well is it not true that in the comics the hand tried to resurrect elektra? cause i remember seeing that. i guess if anything, you can equate my return of elektra to where she might fit better into an ultimate's story line. i dont know if she was killed in ultimates or not, but i think this would fit better into it. also, if a newer dd movie were to ever be made, i see this as a possible alternate storyline to how she comes back. also, i think this is how miller might have done it if he ever intended to bring elektra back. i know he wanted her dead for the longest time, and my knowledge of the marvel universe is not as vast as my knowledge of the dcu.

in any case, i think this makes for a better short story line than the extensive and confusing story they gave her in the comics. but thats just me talking.

also as a dd and elektra fan, i would have personally prefered it to be this way. i like the idea of soulmates and how people are and always will be connected through love and experience. so i think this is a little more sweet.

am i making any sense?
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Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

Is it possible to have an autographed photograph of Ms Santiago in costume?

blinky500 · Flying Blind Joined: 17 Nov 2008 Posts: 12

absolutely. you can email kim through her myspace at:

www.myspace.com/kns117
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Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

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