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DAREDEVIL: NEW AVENGER!
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RGdesigner
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If repetitive gunfire would weaken DD that much he would have been taken out or had to retire long ago. How many times have we seen him surrounded by gunfire at relatively close range? A minigun sounds like a loud air compressor when fired, the shock of that helicopter exploding right in front of him in "Born Again" would've caused him more damage.

No instance where using a gun makes sense?
It looks to me as if its a direct parallel to what was going on in "Born Again". People are being gunned down all around him by a large machine that he can't take out hand to hand. Every second he waits people are dying, so he picks up a weapon thats handy and opens fire. The robot is right in front of him. He's not sharp shooting from 2000 yards away.

Again, I'm not really digging the idea of him being in the Avengers, but I'm willing to wait and see what Bendis does. The complaints and hyperbole being leveled against these two teaser pages is the only thing thats ridiculous.
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AP
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't say Daredevil firing a gun never makes sense. In fact, that scene in Born Again highlights one of the reasons I like DD. What I'm saying is it doesn't sense that firing a high caliber automatic gun like that would not affect him in a negative way. If they don't show that it took a lot out of him to fire such a large gun, they're choosing to ignore something fundamental to the character.

He doesn't just avoid guns because he prefers not to kill. They also negatively affect him. DD firing a gun won't just mess with his hearing. It would also mess with his sense of smell and touch and it would greatly confuse his radar. Having a sense of touch so sensitive that one can read raised ink on paper would make firing an automatic weapon a pretty painful experience. Being the one firing the gun is way more intense to his senses than being shot at.

Honestly, all this does is highlight what a poor fit he is for this story and for The Avengers. They fight enemies like this frequently. The fact that he would have to use a weapon that he tries to avoid because it hurts him just to hold his own in this fight says a lot. It's a poor fit that requires one to ignore character traits to make it work and that's a problem.

If you're ok with it, fine. But I think it's an indicator of what a poor fit this is. And I want this to work! I'd like to see DD be an Avenger for a bit! But if this is how they're going to do it, I'd prefer he stay solo.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My god, they turned him into Rambo. Shocked

Is this the best Bendis can do?? This from the same guy who some would rank alongside Miller in terms of writing DD? Don't see it here. I'd love to see the reasoning for why Matt would even consider this action (mecha robots running rampant notwithstanding)

DD is a major Marvel hero, but his focus is more on the street, real life crime and sin, not cosmic villains intent on conquering/destroying the world. He's participated in major Marvel events before but in his own unique solo way. (My favorite, Inferno, where he deals with that demon-possessed lunatic dentist from hell. Creepy yet funny at the same time.)

That's part of the charm for him and Spidey, the loners who patrol the side alleys overlooked by those flying overhead in their Fantasticar and Quinjets. I don't see the creative sense in having him join up.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DD can be an avenger but not in the traditional sense. He has to be used as a freelance or/and a scout. Someone who goes in solo or with just a partner either before the offensive or after, not smack in the middle of a big fiGht .
This way he can work. He can't seat around the mansion having tea.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we are saying the look on his face while firing does not show pain? I think he is struggling with firing this weapon but think he would see it as worth the pain, he is doing what needs done.

Also DD not making sense as an Avenger? As I have said he makes as much if not more sense than Black Widow or Mockingbird. Come on, every team needs a superpowered ninja! So long as he is used correctly then he will make sense, this all out war is bad timing for him to be used correctly but hey bad timing is almost a superpower for DD! Lets wait to see what happens when things calm down.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm against the concept according to which any loud noise can disable DD. He would be a pretty useless superhero, if it was like that. The freakin' leapfrog could defeat him by carrying a boombox around.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just finished reading this issue, its awesome. Puts the SUPER back into dds title of superhero.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gee wrote:
Just finished reading this issue, its awesome. Puts the SUPER back into dds title of superhero.


Is DD featured in it a lot?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its pretty much a DD book. If you like dd as a superhero then its a must have, if you like him as a real world detective then maybe give it a miss.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

New Avengers #16 is an awesome read. It was Daredevil-centric, and I think Bendis might have checked out this thread and did some re-writes. LOL The book almost spoon-fed the reason why DD should be an Avenger.

It's indeed the SUPERhero Daredevil. All the more shows why I think he is Marvel's answer to Batman.

And lastly, facing a horde of Nazi Mech soldiers alone either means your crazy...or your The Man Without Fear. And we all know what DD rightfully is!
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