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Dayle88 · Playing to the Camera Joined: 25 Mar 2015 Posts: 140

I thought it was a great ending. The billy club was incredible. The main characters were amazing all season. I thought Elektra was a perfect tribute to the comic and a perfect fit for the show.

Having her be the centre piece for Matt to take on the Hand gives him the extra motivation beyond saving the city. Their love and original time together led to her getting him involved with the Hand and they allowed the story to evolve and then go back to that personal connection for the ending. Great story telling as far as I'm concerned.

The final battle with Nobu was the usual excellence that the show has had all the way through with a few fist pump moments added with Punisher helping out and Stick at the end for some added attitude. I think the Punisher saw who Daredevil is but beyond his nod of respect for trying to help him in both of his identities I don't think Frank gives a crap.

Did we ever find out what the huge hole the Hand was digging was for? Or was that where the chamber that Elektra ends up in came from?

It was an incredible experience watching it. A lot of it has fallen out of my mind as I was enjoying myself and quite a lot of times being blown away so I'm definitely going to watch it all again very soon.

I have no doubts there'll be a Daredevil season three this time next year. Maybe they'll shuffle the schedule to fit in three shows next year to have Iron Fist and the Defenders. They might let the shows run however they feel is best regardless of how many come out a year. Season two of Daredevil is the best superhero TV show or film I've seen and it seems to have gotten unanimous praise so they're probably feeling pretty confident they can put a lot of stuff out there.

It's not like they are going to dilute they're own ratings by having too many shows scheduled for the week, they encourage binge watching.

Dayle88 · Playing to the Camera Joined: 25 Mar 2015 Posts: 140

Been re-watching some parts and it reminded me why I like the Hand beyond the obvious cool ninja reasons.

A lot of enemies stick around and reoccur with similar themes because the comics stick around and never end. While it isn't unique to them the Hand can be beaten by the hero and the leader taken down for a nice conclusion but because they always work in sects there's always more to return. They also can build an enemy out of each smaller groups leader that can be interesting. They can directly show this happening while having it make sense.

In this case it was Nobu and getting his troops out of New York. I like the fact that Matt can win and the Hand still get what they want and it not feel similar to the Joker getting a free pass and escaping because he is popular.

james castle · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:16 pm Post subject:

Soooo....we're calling him Daredevil now?

Did I miss the bit where everyone starting calling him Daredevil instead of "The Devil of Hell's Kitchen"?

I feel like at the end of episode 12 Nobo referred to Matt as "Daredevil" out of nowhere. And I was like "wait...so he's Daredevil now? Maybe it was just Nobo?". But nope, in the final episode Foggy just picks it up.

In the final scene when Matt tells Karen he's Daredevil she should have been like "wait. who's Daredevil? Is that that same person as the Devil of Hell's Kitchen? Because...?". Did I miss something?

Other notes on the series:

Punisher was amazing. Probably my favorite part of the whole series.

Elektra was also great. They really messed with her story but I think it was all good in the end. The only nit picky thing is why didn't anyone ever comment that it was really weird that her and Matt dated?

Stick continues to be amazing.

All the court related stuff was beyond terrible. Here's just a few points:

Some of the writing was soooooo bad. When Matt was talking about the Hand he said "just because I can't explain what they do doesn't mean I accept them as a fairy tale". What?

All the costumes were wicked.

Enough teasing - let's have The Gladiator already.
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Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

The last episode of last season introduced "Daredevil." It was used interchangeably at the beginning (or, more like, they'd say "Daredevil" and clarify "the Devil of Hell's Kitchen" to make sure everyone was on the same page). It's one of those things that stuck more as the season progressed.
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james castle · Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:57 pm Post subject:

Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

The New York Bulletin said it first, probably because that cop told them to (when Daredevil left, the cop shouted "what should I call you.").
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DesignDevil · Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 5:17 pm Post subject:

Amazing season.
Not a single weak episode. Overall better than season 1.

Charlie Cox is the MVP of Marvel. Matt and Elektra had probably the best onscreen chemistry of any modern comic book "couple" in TV or the films.

Only flaws that bothered me in this season:
Matt was an ass yes, but Karen and Foggy turned on him too quickly and ruthlessly in my opinion. Karen storms off like she's on a daytime soap opera when there was obviously something weird going on with a sick woman and an old blind man in Matt's apartment. Frankly by the end of the season I wanted to tell Foggy "Don't let the door hit you on your way out."

The court scenes were the big weak spot though. "Law and Order" has better courtroom writing. Matt's big speech was great and all, but he'd never have been able to give it. The DA would've objected 12 times over and the judge would've ordered him to actually question Frank, which was what he was supposed to be doing at the time.

Franks story drug on a little too long. The Blacksmith reveal and resolution should've been wrapped up in episode 11, allowing 12 and 13 to focus on Matt and Elektra which was the main event. They could still have Frank show up at the end to help, but I think it would've been more exciting if we hadn't seen him for the last two episodes.

Dimetre · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:19 am Post subject:

I found this season to be a wildly mixed bag.

While I find the Elektra and Daredevil relationship in the original comics to be a tragic representation of true love, I don't think the relationship in this show can be called true love. At least it isn't in my opinion. I think Matt was infatuated with her, and she represents his sexual awakening. But when he found out who she really was, he became painfully aware that it would never work. Still, he's Matt Murdock, and he doesn't know how to give up. So she became a problem he would always try to solve, even when healthier relationships were presenting themselves.

Elektra was his obsession to such an extent this season, that he allowed her to remove him from everything else in his life. He was even willing to lay Matt Murdock to rest to be on the run with her. That speech he gave her was kind of remarkable, because it was a character expressing his want of a different future than the viewers wanted him to have. I don't think I've ever seen that before. None of us wanted him to stop being Matt and run around the globe with a woman who can't stop killing. But he would never give up on trying to save her. And the painful truth is none of us thought he could.

This was a strong way to end a tumultuous season, however there were a few things I found problematic. At the end of Jessica Jones, was Hogarth still a practising lawyer? I certainly didn't think she was still partner in a big firm.

I don't know why Karen looked so shocked to see the Punisher on the roof of the building.

What Karen wrote sounded more like poetic verse than the hard-hitting truth bomb her boss requested. Sadly, for me, it resembled something Doogie Howser or Carrie Bradshaw would recite over the end of one of their shows.

There were things I didn't like about this season, but I have to applaud the people behind this show for their ambition and their willingness to take risks.

And I love the billy club.

james castle · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:41 am Post subject:

humanaccident · Flying Blind Joined: 10 Jul 2014 Posts: 26

Great series, I like that they are changing things from the comics, Bens death in the first series, Elektra being killed by the Hand, it makes me more interested as its not just the comics I know and love being made into TV its new stories. Nothing worse than seeing a movie copied exactly and line for line from a book.

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