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DAREDEVIL #599 Preview, Reviews and Discussion
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Kuljit Mithra
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:52 pm    Post subject: DAREDEVIL #599 Preview, Reviews and Discussion Reply with quote

DAREDEVIL #599 by Soule, Garney and Milla ships February 21st and here's a preview!



http://www.manwithoutfear.com/gallery/Daredevil-V5-599

Please use this thread for all discussion when the issue ships!
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Dimetre
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoyed this issue. For once, I'm starting to understand why Soule has Muse and Fisk in the same story at the same time. The Kingpin has gotten under Matt's skin to such a degree, that he can't focus on anything else.

This issue opens with Matt trying to concentrate to an extreme degree so he can find out where in New York Muse is. He can't. He's completely preoccupied with Fisk, and Blindspot feels that Matt is letting him down.

The sad thing is that Matt knows how dangerous Muse is, and he doesn't want Sam to go after him alone, however, he's not leaving him much choice. Also, Matt is even doubting himself -- asking "Have I done everything I can to make sure Muse doesn't hurt anyone else? No. I don't think I have.

Soule is deliberately setting us up to believe that Sam is going to die next issue. Maybe he will. That will make some on this board happy. Not me. I think he has potential, and would do well joining the Champions or a team like that. I don't think I need him hanging around in a Daredevil book anymore. It doesn't seem like him and Matt are on the best terms anymore anyway.

The cliffhanger has Matt meeting with the Defenders, Spidey, Moon Knight, Misty Knight and Echo. That makes me nervous about the next issue. None of these other characters have been involved in this story so far. Is Matt going to be crowded out of his 600th issue? Will it be a clusterbomb?

As apprehensive I am of the next issue, I thought this one was good. I give it a four.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the callback to the last time Matt found Fisk. The big thing is not his failure, it's that he's forced to listen to how much Fisk is dominating the city. I like that they're butting heads. If you're going to remove Fisk knowing Matt's identity, it makes sense to put them in a position where they're face to face as Matt and Fisk. That being said, it feels like Daredevil is becoming unhinged here and is making reckless decisions.

Side note, the ad for Daredevil 600 is amazing - a perfect callback to issue number one.

We see some more development of Blindspot. I think the discussion about his time with the Hand is an important one to show how much he changed. You think it's setting up for something big and then Muse catches everyone completely by surprise. Seriously, he's got such an ill-defined quantity to him, but that adds to his menace - particularly with how sudden things were.

I'm not sure what will happen with Blindspot. I've felt twice that his story was over and it wasn't. I think the character has a lot of potential, but there also needs to be more time developing him (is this the first time we saw his girlfriend?).

Four and a Half Stars.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That girl is his sister. Okay?
Some people try so hard to praise Soule's run, they forget the weak thing they've read.
That comes from the desire of liking a character, no matter how awful he is written.
The one good thing that wannabe DD writer could do was to just kill that useless BS (wow, see how it fits?). And yeah, then drop the title.
Are a lot of you guys thinking there is something great next (from the ever permanent Soule)?
Oh yes, because the guy writing right now is SO good. Because Muse is not a character just up from weak fanfics. Because Yes, Wilson FIsk HAS to be DD's nemesis (or even enemy) foreffinever!
There is someone pretending to write 'good' Daredevil.
And a scary lot of people just continuing to love the character, no matter how unimportant is what happens to him/it.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thayrone Ibsen wrote:
Are a lot of you guys thinking there is something great next (from the ever permanent Soule)?
Oh yes, because the guy writing right now is SO good.

Actually, I would be curious to know if there is a single person on this board that would consider Charles Soule as one of their all-time great Daredevil writers. I certainly don't. I don't mind his work, but it doesn't excite me that much.
Thayrone Ibsen wrote:
Because Muse is not a character just up from weak fancics.

Did you mean to type "fanfics"? I think Muse is an awesome new villain! He is so twisted and sick! He is in love with his creative process, but his created process is so sick!
Thayrone Ibsen wrote:
Because Yes, Wilson FIsk HAS to be DD's nemesis (or even enemy) foreffinever!

How long have you felt this way? The Kingpin has been a steady presence in the book for over 35 years. Some writers like Ann Nocenti and Mark Waid have gone out of their way to avoid the Kingpin for long stretches. In fact, I would be tempted to say the same thing about Charles Soule. The Kingpin only join his run for the "Supreme" story which was about a year and a half into his run.
Thayrone Ibsen wrote:
There is someone pretending to write 'good' Daredevil.
And a scary lot of people just contituing to love the character, no matter how unimportant is what happens to him/it.

You realize what this website is about, right?

I know how frustrating it is when you're favourite character is being written by someone who you don't enjoy, and it's made extra-frustrating when it seems everyone else is praising that writer for the work you don't like. I so disliked Bendis' work on Daredevil that Volume 2 #55 was the last issue I picked up until Ed Brubaker took over. Having said that, I don't think anyone is overpraising Soule, or even saying that his work is great. Speaking for myself, I'm simply pointing out the parts of an issue that I enjoy. I'm willing to acknowledge something is good when I see it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd probably put Soule at five or six right now. I like him better than Andy Diggle and he has a much greater sample size than David Mack. Part of it is a preference for the Miller and beyond Daredevil. I don't think I'd put Conway, Wolfman, Gerber, or even Stan Lee above him (Roger McKenzie is the only one I'm 50/50 on). I think I'd put him above Karl Kesel and Joe Kelly and certainly above D.G. Chichester. I definitely think his run has been very solid overall even if it isn't top three.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overall, I enjoyed the issue. I am actually quite excited that Matt has reached out to other street level heroes. While I am glad Daredevil tends to be solo and not get involved in broader Marvel events, I do like when he's with other street level heroes like Cage and Iron Fist.

Agree with others, Muse is one of the best villains that DD has seen in quite awhile. Love how he got the drop on Blindspot.

There has been a ton of buildup to issue #600 so let's hope it can deliver.

Mike Murdock wrote:
I'd probably put Soule at five or six right now. I like him better than Andy Diggle and he has a much greater sample size than David Mack. Part of it is a preference for the Miller and beyond Daredevil. I don't think I'd put Conway, Wolfman, Gerber, or even Stan Lee above him (Roger McKenzie is the only one I'm 50/50 on). I think I'd put him above Karl Kesel and Joe Kelly and certainly above D.G. Chichester. I definitely think his run has been very solid overall even if it isn't top three.


This is pretty similar for me. He would probably be 5 or so for me. As it would probably be Bendis, Miller, Waid, Brubaker and then Soule. As Mike said, Mack has too small a sample size (though I liked all of it) and same with Loeb (I loved DD: Yellow).

This may be unpopular on this board; however, for me, I would put Soule's run above Nocenti's run.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doubt Soule kills Blindspot, he likes him more than Matt. Muse could be a great villain, he has a cool look and a cool name, but he doesn't offer anything other than the fact he's psychotic for me to be invested in and that isn't enough for me to care. DD could use stronger rogues but Soule needs to do a better job creating characters.

Blindspot's strained relationship with Matt is silly. If anyone should be sour it should be Matt. I don't want Sam to die because I don't want another tragic death on Matt's conscience, but this stupid tension is ridiculous.

Also not feeling this whole thing with Matt and Fisk. It feels cheap giving their historic rivalry. Had this took place before born again and last rites I would be invested.

Also I think it would be more fitting if Matt was the one confronting Muse and Blindspot was the one rallying the heroes. Also Echo with no pre existing knowledge of Matt is a waste. Soule's run is readable, but I'd put him at the very bottom of the writers that came before. It's just a bland series. Matt Murdock is so boring. Blindspot could have been an interesting addition to the series but he comes across as a poor mixture of Jason Todd and Tim Drake. DD should have a great universe like Batman, but not as a large. Echo, Elektra, Black Tarantula, White Tiger and an interesting version of Blindspot would have been awesome. I still don't understand why Elektra doesn't have more of a prominent role in the DD universe. Soule had an opportunity to fix that and did nothing but a tease. Sad.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only bringing back Karen Page would save 600 for me. Not happening. Instead I expect an issue centered around Blindspot and Matt dealing with his new status as a eavesdropping attorney. Such unbearable unbelievable excitement and on every page. Yay .....
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoyed the issue. I certainly wouldn't put Soule among my favorite scribes, but not among my least favorite either. I do agree that the Matt / Sam relationship seems silly, as it is now, I like Blindspot's potential. I see the way he reacts to Matt as just being young an inexperienced. I've been waiting for White Tiger to make it back to these pages for quite some time... since "Shadowland" maybe, has it really been that long? I like her as a character, similar to Blindspot as a student.
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