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macjr33
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dimetre wrote:
The third issue didn't hit me as hard as the second. I suppose part of that is due to my lack of enthusiasm towards the DD/Jessica Jones/Luke Cage/Iron Fist line-up of the Defenders. I never read the recent Bendis comic with that line-up, and I didn't really care for the Netflix show. Also, I know very little about the Foolkiller.

Matt is at an even lower point here than he was in the previous issue, and now it's kind of depressing to read.

The choice to intersperse Matt's recovery scenes with those of an old Defenders story was odd. The Foolkiller may have been a threat to Ben Urich, but he certainly wasn't a threat to Daredevil. If the point of the old story was to show how without fear Matt used to be, I think it would have been better to use someone scarier.

Still, this could end up going somewhere good. If Matt doesn't find a reason to get better by the end of this series, I'm not going to see the point of all this.


For me, I loved this issue and have felt that each issue has been better than the previous one.

Also, I love when Matt is interacting with Jessica, Luke and Danny. I enjoyed it during Bendis initial run and I really did like the brief Defenders series. I find their dynamic to be wonderful and I love Matt's place among them. He is clearly the least "powerful" of the group; however, I would say he is the most respected of that group and serves as the defacto leader.

I thought the scene with Foolkiller was excellent and I was glad to see Ben Urich brought back in. When you really step back and look at it Matt does have a rich history that many authors can draw from.

I found it a bit depressing to read as well; however, I have often felt that way before and I do think that it is building up to him getting better and finding himself, something that is hardly new in Daredevil.
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Mike Murdock
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the psychological aspects with Matt were great in this issue. The flashbacks weren't so great because it was hard to buy the sense of stakes in a flashback of a relatively tangential comic. I liked that Jessica Jones figured out the truth because she's the one person with the mind to figure it out and the bluntness to say it.

All that being said, they screwed up the name of the gym - it should have been Fogwell's Gym. They also screwed up the whole Civil War thing with Danny Rand being Daredevil but I have to confess I forgot the details of that too until it was pointed out to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Murdock wrote:
All that being said, they screwed up the name of the gym - it should have been Fogwell's Gym. They also screwed up the whole Civil War thing with Danny Rand being Daredevil but I have to confess I forgot the details of that too until it was pointed out to me.

I noticed that about the gym too. That was kind of a big mistake since Fogwell's has kept appearing over the past 50 years.

As for the Civil War reference, does this make sense with the Purple Children's mindwipe? Shouldn't Danny remember that he dressed up as Daredevil for some reason? That really was Danny, since Matt was in jail. Since the other Defenders know that Matt is both himself and Daredevil, do they remember all their past experiences involving Matt and Daredevil?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the impression that the second they learn Matt's identity, the past memories all come flooding back. That's the way it worked with Foggy. Bendis seemed to write it a little different where they didn't have instantaneous recall of their past, but their reaction was also a little weird and unnatural so I wouldn't read too much into that one page or so.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked #4 better than #3. I think this issue benefited from focusing on a single visit to Matt's hospital room. It's a great idea. Matt wakes up to find Wilson Fisk in his room, and then there's a flashback to a battle between Daredevil and the Kingpin.

This one is less depressing. We dwelt less on Matt's frustration with the slowness of his recovery, and are still unsure whether he can ever fully recover, but, I have some problems with this story. First, while weather forecasts are often correct, I didn't buy that Fisk knew exactly what time it would begin to snow. I can buy that Daredevil's radar can get scrambled by heavy snow, but for Fisk to plan around a weather report?

Also, while artist Paolo Villanelli did a fine job on the bulk of this issue, I was puzzled by a few of the panels during the battle between Daredevil and the Kingpin. Daredevil shoves Fisk into the backseat of a car, and it looks like there are some glass objects near the Kingpin's head. What are they? I wonder if Villanelli drew more into this panel, but the editorial team chose to zoom in more, to the point where we can't make out what those objects are. A few panels later, there is a bottle, some ice cubes and a tumbler. I suppose it's a tumbler, but in that earlier panel, was Daredevil holding it, or was it flying through the air?

As for the ending, I was taken aback by what Matt shouted at the Kingpin, but I thought Fisk acted out of character by leaving. I think he would have been more in character if he granted Matt's request. I don't really understand why Fisk would have been made afraid by what Matt said.

One more issue to go. How will they end this?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like that this issue focuses on lessons Matt learned from his father. It's touching that the memory of him is what pulls Matt out of his funk. This series felt depressing, especially the third issue, because Matt was in such a low place and probably more depressed than I had ever seen him, and it was hard to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

The problem I have with this issue is how much it hinges on Wilson Fisk's exit at the end of #4. As I typed before, Fisk's choice to leave the hospital room without doing Matt further harm felt out of character to me. That moment, however, has proved to be a turning point for Matt's recovery. You'll just have to read it for yourself. I find it problematic that such a big turning point is founded upon a moment I find out of character.

I'm happy with the way this series has ended. I truly don't know what to expect from Chip Zdarsky and Marco Checchetto's first issue. Will it portray a slightly more physically fragile Matt as depicted in this series?
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