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DAREDEVIL #612 Preview, Reviews and Discussion
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Kuljit Mithra
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:16 pm    Post subject: DAREDEVIL #612 Preview, Reviews and Discussion Reply with quote

The final issue of this volume, DAREDEVIL #612 ships tomorrow and here's a preview! By Soule and Noto.



http://www.manwithoutfear.com/gallery/Daredevil-V5-612

Please use this thread for all discussion when the issue ships!
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Daredevil24
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anti climatic if you ask me. Onto the next.
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Cropsy Cryptkeeper
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't read it yet but love the covers.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only saving grace for these last two arcs has been Phil Noto's art. Its shame after coming off of the Mayor Murdock story which was fun and exciting, but like many of these last few stories by Soule, went nowhere.

Mike Murdock, was kinda funny as a plot device at first, but him actually running around is ridiculous. He needs to be killed off and quickly forgotten as soon as possible.

This entire Death of Daredevil felt rushed, which it was, and had all the drama and impact of a wet fart. Also, as I said before, Daredevil getting taken out by a truck was absurd based on the way it was presented in the artwork.

Hopefully Zdarsky and Checchetto can bring depth back to Matt Murdock and his supporting cast again.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn’t hate this but if you’re going to actually kill daredevil, the story needs to b better than this. No real emotional gut punch and a little predictable. If this was just a run of the mill dd story i’d rate it pretty high but this is not just a finale to soules run but in many ways a finale to absolutely everything thats came so far. Im under no illusions here. Matt will be back. Maybe even in a couple of months time but this is still the death of daredevil and it didn’t get the weight or depth it deserved.

I think overall i really liked soules run, especially early on, but his last year or so on the book dragged his average down for me. I liked his take on the beast, i liked muse and i liked blindspot. He was no miller, bendis or brubaker but i think he sits comfortably alongside noccenti and waid in the b-tier.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RGdesigner wrote:
The only saving grace for these last two arcs has been Phil Noto's art. Its shame after coming off of the Mayor Murdock story which was fun and exciting, but like many of these last few stories by Soule, went nowhere.

Mike Murdock, was kinda funny as a plot device at first, but him actually running around is ridiculous. He needs to be killed off and quickly forgotten as soon as possible.

This entire Death of Daredevil felt rushed, which it was, and had all the drama and impact of a wet fart. Also, as I said before, Daredevil getting taken out by a truck was absurd based on the way it was presented in the artwork.

Hopefully Zdarsky and Checchetto can bring depth back to Matt Murdock and his supporting cast again.
Thank you so much for this. This was arc was lame.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts are relatively short. I kind of predicted the ending here, so the shock of the twist is lost on me. But I still think the issue works on its own merits. The idea that Matt Murdock can achieve his goals but only is his dreams is a powerful one and the issue delivers it well. I want to give a special shout out to Phil Noto whose art is beautiful. I don't think this run was flawless but this issue sums up what was great when it worked and I think this issue worked.

Five Stars.
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Dimetre
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there are certain things this issue does well. Everybody has already praised Noto's art, and it indeed praiseworthy. The four black pages lend considerable heaviness to the ending. That was a bold choice. Charles Soule deserves credit for some well-chosen words and phrases. "So I will be the light," suggests Christian scripture. I loved Matt's line of argument with the District Attorney, convincing him to fight against Fisk. Much of this is very well done.

But, here's the problem. What was this all for? What is the point of all this?

The TV show Dallas had an entire season that turned out to be a dream, and that angered and frustrated the fans who tuned in faithfully week after week for an entire year. Now, it's true, some on this board predicted correctly that this story was playing out in his mind as he fought for his life on the operating table. Those black panels with the captions like, "Clear," were indeed hints. I admit, that didn't occur to me until some of you guys brought it up here. So that's a failure to catch the hint on my part. Still, this is a story of Daredevil triumphing over evil that we so want to be true, so it can't help but feel like a cheat to give it to us and then snatch it away at the end -- especially when it feels like what everything Soule has been setting up from his first issue had been building towards this, not Matt on the operating table.

Matt getting hit by a car is such a random occurrence. It doesn't fit in with Soule's grand narrative. It doesn't feel like an organic part of his story. It's a single step removed from Snow White and the Seven Dwarves ending with an asteroid crashing into earth. Yes, it's an ending, but what does it have to do with anything? What is the point of it? What am I, the reader, supposed to take from it?

At least Matt still has a pulse, and seems determined to stick around.

So, I'm annoyed that Soule felt entitled to end his arc by leaving Matt in a compromised state, just like Bendis and Brubaker had before him. I'm annoyed that Noto drew the Vigil to be so visually arresting, but so unknowable. I guess the Vigil represented the permanent embrace of death, but he really wasn't much of a character. He just looked really cool.

To me, Soule's run will be looked back on for some really great ideas that were executed in tragically unsatisfying ways. Others will look back and remember the black costume, Wilson Fisk becoming mayor, Muse, Blindspot.... There are some good things here, but they didn't really amount to much. And this last end to the story is the final in a long string of unsatisfying endings to Soule's stories. I gave it a three, because I can't go as far as saying it's bad. It's is what I think of Soule's entire run -- it's decent.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if the whole arc was a stand alone issue I would rate it higher. I usually am not a fan of "it was only a dream" type twists, someone else predicted it here and I was kind of hoping for a little something more, but the end message was a powerful one. It's like Matt can't settle on a happy ending for himself, but he also is choosing to be his own light in the darkness. I really liked that. Oddly enough, after picking up this comic I was almost hit by a truck crossing the street, really made me think.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dimetre wrote:
Matt getting hit by a car is such a random occurrence. It doesn't fit in with Soule's grand narrative. It doesn't feel like an organic part of his story. It's a single step removed from Snow White and the Seven Dwarves ending with an asteroid crashing into earth. Yes, it's an ending, but what does it have to do with anything? What is the point of it? What am I, the reader, supposed to take from it?.


I sort of liked it. I completely understand why someone wouldn’t. But everyone ever killed in a car accident was half way through their own story and suddenly out of nowhere it got cut short with no rhyme or reason. Its real, it happens and i like how it happened to a fictional character right in the middle of a pivitol story. Now matt won’t take down fisk, get a happy ending or even say goodbye to foggy. Theres was so much build up to a huge conclusion that never happened. Fisk won and matt lost but not because of matt weakness or fisks genius. It just happened by chance. Real life happened and cut the story short. It might not be conventional or satisfying but for me it was powerful and pretty cool.
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