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JC

Man which way to reply to this? the boring way would be a semantic rant on choice, predestination, and freewill, so i'll leave that on the shelf, all stuff your very familliar with i'm sure.

so in the interests of black humour; IMO...the joker got his just deserts for being a bad comedian, a weak character, and choosing to be a thief. Sure the price was a little high(heavy dose of irony here), but thats what you get for taking risks with fate. He is really evil because he chooses to embrace his misfortune, he gets the joke but because he's a monster (I doubt he's insane at all anymore) he chooses to embrace the negative aspect of freewill and try to be the ultimate form of random (bad) luck. (as you aptly describe as a joke (I'm not sure about the funny though))

As a flip side to this thought I think one of the biggest jokes(sadly) in the universe is the idea that each man will get his due. In the scheme of the human experience, justice is as rare as hens teeth.

That our comic book hero's, (and a few real people out in the real world) try to attend to this makes them foolish, romantic and tragic (and we love them for it, and buy the comics for our dose of fiction/escapism).

Anyway i'm romantic and foolish enough to believe that even when you get the joke, you still die trying, (making your own choices), to make the world a better place.

and not least (and I presume your fishing here) its not empty chasing murder's at all, just ask a Next Of Kin what it means to get closure on this human element (as pointless as the incident might have been).

We should care about the human element of injustice/misfortune because thats the only thing we can change. (This is where I'm especially tragic...)

mark

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possibly offensive lawyer joke ahead


































ps lawyer joke for you:

Q? whats the difference between a lawyer and a prostitute?
A a prostitute stops (insert word here) you when you die.

i have even better ones about coppers but they probably need to be emailed
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[Pete]

A good thread and an interesting read.

It's a tough call between Miller and Moore, but mainly for the reasons already stated by others, if I could only choose one it would have to be Moore. I mean it would have to be Moore if all he did was 'V For Vendetta'. Yes, Killing Joke, From Hell, some of the Swamp Thing stuff...I haven't read Promethea but on the back of Carrie's review I'll pick it up. Years ago he did a great strip called 'Halo Jones' for the UK 2000ad weekly anthology. And Watchmen is, well, Watchmen.

It's all great stuff, but it all pales next to 'V For Vendetta'. Maybe it's because I first read it at a certain time and in a certain place (late 80's /1990, London, Thatchers Britain) but the whole thing just made such an impression, made all the more impressive with the knowledge that there was a huge gap between Moore beginning and ending the whole project. Through the selfishness, degradation and brutality that blighted much of the tale (and yeah, it was easy to forsee such a thing happening in the not too distant future back then), Moore crafted one of the most uplifting, humane tales I've read, anywhere. Beautiful.

So, Moore. Miller a close, close second for many other reasons (all a world apart from 'uplifting' and 'humane'.)

I think Moore and Miller between them revolutionised the industry and changed the way people looked at this small, peculiar sandbox we all here enjoy playing in. Comic books actually were all hip and trendy for a while when these guys flexed their muscles. As good as some of his stuff is, Gainman isn't in the same league.