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hellpussy
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| ourchair wrote: | For some reason, I read this subject as if DD would be MOVED to MAX rather than have another title run alongside the current Knights series.
I'm pretty much on the same page with Privateer here. I probably wouldn't mind a DD MAX title, but it doesn't feel so necessary.
Some people believe that the MAX imprint is just a license for profanity and violence, but I don't believe that is the case. It's not violence but TONE that makes the MAX imprint. Supreme Power is written in such a cynical tone while Alias portrayed such a self-destructive individual that they had no other place but MAX.
Thus, the only time DD would need the MAX label is if the violence really needs to be so graphic as to depict vivisected internal organs, explicit nudity and harsh language. And those are usually only needed in books like WE3, and never seem to be called for in Daredevil.
So DD, until Mark Millar starts writing your book, stay off the MAX. |
DD should go up a notch with intensity, but not shock value - that is too cliche, and Mark Millar is such a reactionary writer to the point of being predictable.
I would like issues confronted that may be a little too risky for a mainstream release, yes some gore, some violence, and maybe even sex. The story could create the intensity, with a theme that transcends away from the 'gangsta clean up hells Kitchen' scenario.
A great story would involve a cult, body parts, a insane assassin (great underutilized one, make him more fanatical and crazy), lot's of action etc etc |
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The Privateer
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I have only read Mark Millar's Ultimates both all vol#1 and Vol#2 to date and found him to be nothing short of excellent. I didn't find him predictable, in fact the end of vol. 1 of Ultimates, just got better and better and had a great climax (Does that sound dirty to you...?!) issue.
I still do not think that DD needs a MAX, even to cover HellPussy's subjects. MK has never held back a story with content restrictions.
All those who want a DD MAX story, I think are rather just hoping for another DD mini-series rather than a MAX rated subject. DD is not a MAX topic, if the content of DD warranted a MAX treatment, I would be concerned that it was gratuitous. How would a Fantastic Four MAX series sit? That would be uncalled for as well.
I am all for more DD mini-series or on-going series, but MAX would not offer anything to DD, violence, sex langauge etc that MK doesn't allow the writers to convey to the readers already.
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JR
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Millar is the definition of hit or miss. He has the capacity to write some great comics. It seems he is at his best when writing tales that encompass earth shattering crisis and such, and then has trouble writing less grandiose stories. Kind of like an early Grant Morrison.
As for DD Max, I can't imagine it being well done, which is my major problem. I think whoever got the task of writing it would make it an excuse to look at Elektra's boobs more than tell us a good gritty story. As evidence of this, look at anything Chuck Austen has done for Max.
Does anyone actually know if there are other Max titles than Ennis' Punisher? I think all the other ones failed rather miserably. I have my doubts they will be trying to revamp it anytime soon, especially now with Vertigo being pushed again.
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The Privateer
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Previous MAX titles:
Fury
Luke Cage
War Machine
Alias
Current:
Punisher
Supreme Power
Doctor Spectrum
I have all of Alias, but not read them yet, and all the Punisher MAX to date. Punisher is excellent use of the MAX title. DD would not.
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Nick MB
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I don't think an ongoing DD MAX title is needed, but if someone has a specific story to tell that required the extra freedom, a mini-series would be buyable.
I'd like to dispute the "MAX should be shut down because it isn't Vertigo" thing... The two lines have nothing in common except adult content. The MAX line is superheroes for mature readers, Vertigo has no superheroes at all. I think the MAX line should be an option, at least. I wouldn't want to see Marvel pumping out thousands of them for the sake of it, but a small number of titles which do require the Adults Only rating should have a place to go. |
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hellpussy
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| The Privateer wrote: | I have only read Mark Millar's Ultimates both all vol#1 and Vol#2 to date and found him to be nothing short of excellent. I didn't find him predictable, in fact the end of vol. 1 of Ultimates, just got better and better and had a great climax (Does that sound dirty to you...?!) issue.
I still do not think that DD needs a MAX, even to cover HellPussy's subjects. MK has never held back a story with content restrictions.
All those who want a DD MAX story, I think are rather just hoping for another DD mini-series rather than a MAX rated subject. DD is not a MAX topic, if the content of DD warranted a MAX treatment, I would be concerned that it was gratuitous. How would a Fantastic Four MAX series sit? That would be uncalled for as well.
I am all for more DD mini-series or on-going series, but MAX would not offer anything to DD, violence, sex langauge etc that MK doesn't allow the writers to convey to the readers already. |
Having a DD MAX title originates from my personal opinion on the current run of DD - even it's offshoots. But after 4 yrs of similarities (mini's etc) with the current DD theme, noir style, realty crime driven, constant neurosis etc etc; a some what different slant to DD is needed. Maybe a MAX series could help that.
DD is so much more an adult character. It would be great to see some more expansion on the character even if it was somewhat more explicit. Also, a MAX title could also add other risky issues, general politics, religious influence in media./government etc, militarization, social paranoia, social prejudices. Then mix in gore, violence, sex, swearing etc.
Not really a fan of Mark Millar. To me, there is some kinda backlash style in some of his comics. Whether it's intentional; shock value, or just pointless offense to create reaction seems rampant. It's hard to know where he is coming from. 'Wanted' was a good example (the insult: 'faggot' had a mighty run in Wanted). It was way over top, with the 'victim becomes victimizer' theme in overkill. I have heard similar reviews his 'The Authority'. I have always felt Mark Millar is trying to backlash the 'left' of the spectrum in comics. Even on Millar World, MM ran a poll 'who is the gayest superhero' (!?)
I think Mark Millar couldn't handle DD, or if he did write DD he could drag the character down more as the neurotic victim mentality - obsessive revenge, preemptive, superiority complex. Hence his (DD) style and reflection in comics. |
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Forrest
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| james castle wrote: | | Is there still a MAX line? Sigh. Not only should there not be a DD MAX title, Marvel should realize that they're not DC and that Vertigo is untouchable and just pack the whole MAX nonsense in. |
The Punisher MAX series is absolutely fantastic! While the idea of a MAX Daredevil book is ridiculous, very few titles shine in the less restricted MAX setting. A Daredevil MAX book would be terrible because the creators would have to find excuses to have R-rated content. However, the Punisher is inheritly violent to a level that more censored comics seriously impedes.
So, with the right book, the MAX series is beneficial. Also, the right author is needed. Ennis is absolutely fantastic in the MAX environment. Other authors would just constantly dwell in extreme violence and sex for no reason.
Basically, I defend keeping the MAX line simply because Ennis's work, including the Punisher books are fantastic. If Daredevil ever entered the MAX line, it would be massive loss for the character. |
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Forrest
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| hellpussy wrote: |
Gritty, metaphoric, religious, great revamped and/or new villain, fast paced, violent and bloody, draw on Matts contradictions of evil and good. Action from start to finish. |
I didn't know "religious" is characteristic of the MAX line!  |
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The Privateer
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| hellpussy wrote: |
Having a DD MAX title originates from my personal opinion on the current run of DD - even it's offshoots. But after 4 yrs of similarities (mini's etc) with the current DD theme, noir style, realty crime driven, constant neurosis etc etc; a some what different slant to DD is needed. Maybe a MAX series could help that.
DD is so much more an adult character. It would be great to see some more expansion on the character even if it was somewhat more explicit. Also, a MAX title could also add other risky issues, general politics, religious influence in media./government etc, militarization, social paranoia, social prejudices. Then mix in gore, violence, sex, swearing etc.
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Totally agree about a change in slant, I really enjoy waht Bendis has done, but it is time for something new, for a change. I do not want Bendis DD to become stale so a change in December will be good. I really like Bendis, but he is not he be all and end all.
I am just not sure about DD ina MAX mini-series, the topics covered would need to be done in such a way that it did not appear forced or out of character for the title. MM all of a sudden spouting like Eminem or Joe Pesci would not fit for example. But I agree that it may open the door for more risque topics, religion is a good suggestion that would logically fit in to the DD story / mythos.
I am warming to the idea, but I still do not feel that MK has ever held back a story because of content restrictions.
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The Privateer
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| Forrest wrote: | | james castle wrote: | | Is there still a MAX line? Sigh. Not only should there not be a DD MAX title, Marvel should realize that they're not DC and that Vertigo is untouchable and just pack the whole MAX nonsense in. |
The Punisher MAX series is absolutely fantastic! While the idea of a MAX Daredevil book is ridiculous, very few titles shine in the less restricted MAX setting. A Daredevil MAX book would be terrible because the creators would have to find excuses to have R-rated content. However, the Punisher is inheritly violent to a level that more censored comics seriously impedes.
So, with the right book, the MAX series is beneficial. Also, the right author is needed. Ennis is absolutely fantastic in the MAX environment. Other authors would just constantly dwell in extreme violence and sex for no reason.
Basically, I defend keeping the MAX line simply because Ennis's work, including the Punisher books are fantastic. If Daredevil ever entered the MAX line, it would be massive loss for the character. |
You are spot on, The Punisher is a brilliant title, Ennis has the grasp of how to use the MAX tolerances it allows. One of my favourite monthly reads, that and DD are always my first two reads. Compared with the MK series, it shows how restrained Ennis was with the content he give use.
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