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Forthcoming UK elections
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UK Election
Labour (Tony Blair)
28%
 28%  [ 2 ]
Conservative (Michael Howard)
14%
 14%  [ 1 ]
Liberal Democrat (Gordon Kennedy)
28%
 28%  [ 2 ]
Other
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
I do not intend to vote!
28%
 28%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 7

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The Privateer
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well spotted on the Charles Kennedy mistake, Gordon Kennedy used to host the UK national lottery. Sorry. I knew it wasn't John F. though!

I think that is quite funny actually. Who votes for a lottery host.

The Liberal leader is indeed Charles Kennedy.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

james castle wrote:
Wait, wait...Blair isn't the "Conservative" candidate? Jesus Christ, what does it take to be conservative over there? That's terrifying.

Anyway, I'd vote for the guy who isn't Blair and who isn't Conservative.

"Did you lie to us Tony? We thought you were different. Now, you know, we're not so sure. Droolin' loony toons movin' in a swarm. Movin' in a swarm".

A shiney penny for anyone who can name that quote without using google.


From 1997, the Labour party (Blair) betrayed everything that they once held to be true and swung from the left to the centre or slightly centre right. It was amusing at the time that they adopted a lot of the general Tory policies from the day. Labour are seen as Liberal Tories in some ways.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(I am Catholic by the way but I’m not for this)


You really take this Daredevil thing serious don't you, you are a true DD fan !!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must be a minority fan, am I the only Tory?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Privateer wrote:
I must be a minority fan, am I the only Tory?


Well, I think that any board that's centred around anything artistic is going to be mostly liberals (we lefties like/produce art). That's not to say there aren't some hawks other than yourself about. I can think of at least a few. There used to be one guy who posted a lot who openly hated gays. He doesn't seem to post any more. But yeah, you're not alone.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously, for all the children of the world, don't vote for Tony Blair. Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forrest wrote:
Seriously, for all the children of the world, don't vote for Tony Blair. :P


Where have I heard this before? I remember it was this past fall sometime.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mainstream politics in the UK has probably never been in a sorrier state. There are a hell of a lot of people, myself included, who have voted Labour since they we're old enough to vote, but since Blair and his gang took control of the Party have been left with virtually no one representing them.

Privateer sums up the situation well. Since the early 1990's Blair has steered the Labour Party steadily towards the Right. So much, in fact, that they've stolen most of the Conservatives policies! (The Conservatives are in real danger of becoming redundant, thus flail around for something, anything to regain their identity. Thus far, the increasing hysteria of more extreme right-wing tendencies coming from them has failed to find many admirers. Good. Let 'em rot.)

Former Labour leaders would have baulked at the idea of helping Bush in Iraq. Indeed, the internal mechanisms of the Party coupled with proper 'Cabinet' level governance would have ensured that it would never have happened!

I've been a member of the Labour Party for ten years, but like many within,see the things that have changed for the better in the last eight years (the minimum wage, tax credit for the low paid, better maternity rights, more investment in hospitals,)have come almost despite Tony Blair.

I think there is a shift in peoples opinions regarding politics, more around single issue causes rather than traditional Party politics. In any democracy (as its grown in the western Liberal democracies that most of us here all live in) you need both representation and accountability. Well, the accountability bit is almost here (although the antiquated UK system could be called into question here, but anyway...). But representation? Well, don't see much in the way of people representing my views. But I'll vote, and I'll vote Labour, in the hope that the people who really need it manage to get 'their' Party back.

That was a Party Political Broadcast on behalf of traditional Labour!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this may sound like a stupid Q? but as i said, i'm not quite up to date on my modern Euro history, i'm more of a Colonial Era person.
so anyhoo, what's the origins of Britian's modern multi-party political system? like after 1850 or so. and in 3 or so paragraphs or less, cuz we don't wanna drive Kuljit crazy.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Privateer wrote:
EightiesCartoon wrote:


(I am Catholic by the way but I’m not for this)


You really take this Daredevil thing serious don't you, you are a true DD fan !!


Indeed Very Happy
DD resonates in so many ways...
I was raised on good old Catholic guilt!
However I am now, like so many others, living my own religion and believe in a supreme being, thats enough for me
I used to think of the church as something good but see it for the cashcow that it is (Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, the list and bank accounts go on and on....)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EightiesCartoon wrote:
The Privateer wrote:
EightiesCartoon wrote:


(I am Catholic by the way but I’m not for this)


You really take this Daredevil thing serious don't you, you are a true DD fan !!


Indeed Very Happy
DD resonates in so many ways...
I was raised on good old Catholic guilt!
However I am now, like so many others, living my own religion and believe in a supreme being, thats enough for me
I used to think of the church as something good but see it for the cashcow that it is (Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, the list and bank accounts go on and on....)

wow, if that kinda stuff happened in my diocese in the U.S. we would revolt! what little $$ we get into the Church is tracked meticulously by several differnt lay ppl and clergy and goes directly to the schools and whatever projects we're working on.
and many of our Churches are still full in my Diocese, we just don't have many priests. guess maybe Syracuse is the exception to the rule.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm impressed when the church helps the greater good, I sincerely mean that, I suppose the bad side of religion is in my face alot lately (I get up at 5 AM and theres Benny and Joyce doing their thing, then theres disaster after disaster and some faith goes out the window - both in God and man)
I suppose its just a personal thing, there was no disrespect intended Goddess, fantastic stuff when the church works for the greater good, I'm just not into agendas
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goddess0Whim wrote:
this may sound like a stupid Q? but as i said, i'm not quite up to date on my modern Euro history, i'm more of a Colonial Era person.
so anyhoo, what's the origins of Britian's modern multi-party political system? like after 1850 or so. and in 3 or so paragraphs or less, cuz we don't wanna drive Kuljit crazy.


I am really sorry if this sounds boring or swotty, but here is a basic English political lesson.

The Tory's or conservatives are the longest serving party, still around in 1850's, the other main party of the 1850's etc was called the whigs, these are basically modern day liberal democrats, the liberals have gone throug many changes over time.

The labour party was born in about the 1920's out of union uprising or so I think. This really changed between 1994 - 1997 to what it is now under Tony Blair's leadership. Most seem to forget that Labour were led from 1992-1994/5 by chap named John Smith who died, he started some of the changes but they were still basically lefty socialists then.

The liberals have bounced along as a minority party, though Winston Churchill was a Liberal. In the 1970's some Labour MP's broke away from the party and became the SDP, social democratic party, famously called the band of four, Shirley Williams, David Owen, Roy Jenkins and one other. These immalgamated with the liberals in about 1987 then led by David Owen and David Steel.

That is a rough origin of the 3 major parties.

Sorry if that is really sad knowledge, I just have a recall mind sometimes!!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EightiesCartoon wrote:
I'm impressed when the church helps the greater good, I sincerely mean that, I suppose the bad side of religion is in my face alot lately (I get up at 5 AM and theres Benny and Joyce doing their thing, then theres disaster after disaster and some faith goes out the window - both in God and man)
I suppose its just a personal thing, there was no disrespect intended Goddess, fantastic stuff when the church works for the greater good, I'm just not into agendas


none taken, i guess i haven't seen that much yet, but i would feel the same. understood and i sypathize
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Privateer wrote:
I am really sorry if this sounds boring or swotty, but here is a basic English political lesson.

The Tory's ........
.......That is a rough origin of the 3 major parties.

Sorry if that is really sad knowledge, I just have a recall mind sometimes!!



Thanks!
actually helped alot for the compare/contrast/why there so many cooks in the kitchen sorta aspect of it. now i know what to look for more of while looking more in depth. Very Happy
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