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Goddess0Whim
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| EightiesCartoon wrote: | | The Privateer wrote: | | EightiesCartoon wrote: |
(I am Catholic by the way but I’m not for this)
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You really take this Daredevil thing serious don't you, you are a true DD fan !! |
Indeed 
DD resonates in so many ways...
I was raised on good old Catholic guilt!
However I am now, like so many others, living my own religion and believe in a supreme being, thats enough for me
I used to think of the church as something good but see it for the cashcow that it is (Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, the list and bank accounts go on and on....) |
wow, if that kinda stuff happened in my diocese in the U.S. we would revolt! what little $$ we get into the Church is tracked meticulously by several differnt lay ppl and clergy and goes directly to the schools and whatever projects we're working on.
and many of our Churches are still full in my Diocese, we just don't have many priests. guess maybe Syracuse is the exception to the rule.
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EightiesCartoon
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I'm impressed when the church helps the greater good, I sincerely mean that, I suppose the bad side of religion is in my face alot lately (I get up at 5 AM and theres Benny and Joyce doing their thing, then theres disaster after disaster and some faith goes out the window - both in God and man)
I suppose its just a personal thing, there was no disrespect intended Goddess, fantastic stuff when the church works for the greater good, I'm just not into agendas
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The Privateer
Redemption
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| Goddess0Whim wrote: | this may sound like a stupid Q? but as i said, i'm not quite up to date on my modern Euro history, i'm more of a Colonial Era person.
so anyhoo, what's the origins of Britian's modern multi-party political system? like after 1850 or so. and in 3 or so paragraphs or less, cuz we don't wanna drive Kuljit crazy. |
I am really sorry if this sounds boring or swotty, but here is a basic English political lesson.
The Tory's or conservatives are the longest serving party, still around in 1850's, the other main party of the 1850's etc was called the whigs, these are basically modern day liberal democrats, the liberals have gone throug many changes over time.
The labour party was born in about the 1920's out of union uprising or so I think. This really changed between 1994 - 1997 to what it is now under Tony Blair's leadership. Most seem to forget that Labour were led from 1992-1994/5 by chap named John Smith who died, he started some of the changes but they were still basically lefty socialists then.
The liberals have bounced along as a minority party, though Winston Churchill was a Liberal. In the 1970's some Labour MP's broke away from the party and became the SDP, social democratic party, famously called the band of four, Shirley Williams, David Owen, Roy Jenkins and one other. These immalgamated with the liberals in about 1987 then led by David Owen and David Steel.
That is a rough origin of the 3 major parties.
Sorry if that is really sad knowledge, I just have a recall mind sometimes!!
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Goddess0Whim
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| Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| EightiesCartoon wrote: | I'm impressed when the church helps the greater good, I sincerely mean that, I suppose the bad side of religion is in my face alot lately (I get up at 5 AM and theres Benny and Joyce doing their thing, then theres disaster after disaster and some faith goes out the window - both in God and man)
I suppose its just a personal thing, there was no disrespect intended Goddess, fantastic stuff when the church works for the greater good, I'm just not into agendas |
none taken, i guess i haven't seen that much yet, but i would feel the same. understood and i sypathize
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Goddess0Whim
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| The Privateer wrote: | I am really sorry if this sounds boring or swotty, but here is a basic English political lesson.
The Tory's ........
.......That is a rough origin of the 3 major parties.
Sorry if that is really sad knowledge, I just have a recall mind sometimes!! |
Thanks!
actually helped alot for the compare/contrast/why there so many cooks in the kitchen sorta aspect of it. now i know what to look for more of while looking more in depth.
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Pete
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| The Privateer wrote: | | Most seem to forget that Labour were led from 1992-1994/5 by chap named John Smith who died, he started some of the changes but they were still basically lefty socialists then. |
Hey, if only!!
A pretty good recap all around. However, I'd argue the point about Labours 'socialist' credentials. Apart from the early to mid years of the last century, the link between 'Labour' and 'socialism' has been tenuous at best. Certainly the likes of Harold wilson and Jim Callaghan preached some socialist values, but delivered very little. Unlike Clem Attlee, who whiped Churchills sorry ass back in 1945, then gave us the NHS and nationalised industries.
Labour really lurched towards the right during the 1980's under Kinnock. Which in retrospect is merely a sign of weak leadership. Just because you're smack dab in the middle of 18 years of Conservative rule, with a New Right Thatcher/Reagan global context, and with a heavily biased right wing media, is no reason to betray the origins and principles of the Party. But Kinnock did. Then Smith. Then Blair.
1997 was herealded as a new beginning, yet despite a penchant for social justice that is completely alien to the Conservatives, there is much, much, that remains unchanged from previous regimes.
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The Privateer
Redemption
Joined: 24 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| james castle wrote: | | The Privateer wrote: | | I must be a minority fan, am I the only Tory? |
Well, I think that any board that's centred around anything artistic is going to be mostly liberals (we lefties like/produce art). That's not to say there aren't some hawks other than yourself about. I can think of at least a few. There used to be one guy who posted a lot who openly hated gays. He doesn't seem to post any more. But yeah, you're not alone. |
What is the political spectrum like in Canada JC? I know little of Canadian politics, all I know is about American politics, where the two parties seem to be centre and centre right in their views, is this the same in Canada?
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The Privateer
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| Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| Pete wrote: | | The Privateer wrote: | | Most seem to forget that Labour were led from 1992-1994/5 by chap named John Smith who died, he started some of the changes but they were still basically lefty socialists then. |
Hey, if only!!
A pretty good recap all around. However, I'd argue the point about Labours 'socialist' credentials. Apart from the early to mid years of the last century, the link between 'Labour' and 'socialism' has been tenuous at best. Certainly the likes of Harold wilson and Jim Callaghan preached some socialist values, but delivered very little. Unlike Clem Attlee, who whiped Churchills sorry ass back in 1945, then gave us the NHS and nationalised industries.
Labour really lurched towards the right during the 1980's under Kinnock. Which in retrospect is merely a sign of weak leadership. Just because you're smack dab in the middle of 18 years of Conservative rule, with a New Right Thatcher/Reagan global context, and with a heavily biased right wing media, is no reason to betray the origins and principles of the Party. But Kinnock did. Then Smith. Then Blair.
1997 was herealded as a new beginning, yet despite a penchant for social justice that is completely alien to the Conservatives, there is much, much, that remains unchanged from previous regimes.
Umm, that was a Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the Lefty Socialist Party. |
Totally agree with your points Pete, I always felt that the management of the Labour party would have done anything and said anything to get elected, Tony Blair was very guilty of this in 1997. To be honest I have always felt that they have betrayed the party members and what they have always stood for, in order to become a watered down Governmental version of what the party and the party members believed in.
I would have found it very interesting if they had ever polled the party members and said we will get power but at this cost to our beliefs, or do we stay the same and possibly not get in? It is a compromise for getting power, but their core backers, the unions are not as strong in their backing of them anymore because in some aspects they have treated the unions as the Tory's would, and now Labour are on good terms with the CBI (Confederation of British Industry), this is the mortal enemy of the unions, basically business management etc.
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The Privateer
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Can you postal vote in America / Canada?
Why I ask is because there has been a huge problem in Birmingham, UK where a load of Asian Labour Party councillors were found in an abandoned warehouse (it must be one of the few that the Joker hasn't used for a hide-out previously) filling in loads of postal votes, and rigging the ballot.
I believe that the judge in charge of the ensuing court case commented that the postal vote system is as trustworthy as a Banana Republic election! As of the moment, my wife and I am registered for postal voting and they will probably use the same system for use to vote with. So I am wondering how they will monitor it. All that happens is we get a letter, put the X against the candidate we like and post back. Thus if you were an unscupulous postman for example, you could intercept my mail and vote for whoever and I would never know, only that I never received my vote.
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JR
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| Goddess0Whim wrote: | | EightiesCartoon wrote: | | The Privateer wrote: | | EightiesCartoon wrote: |
(I am Catholic by the way but I’m not for this)
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You really take this Daredevil thing serious don't you, you are a true DD fan !! |
Indeed
DD resonates in so many ways...
I was raised on good old Catholic guilt!
However I am now, like so many others, living my own religion and believe in a supreme being, thats enough for me
I used to think of the church as something good but see it for the cashcow that it is (Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, the list and bank accounts go on and on....) |
wow, if that kinda stuff happened in my diocese in the U.S. we would revolt! what little $$ we get into the Church is tracked meticulously by several differnt lay ppl and clergy and goes directly to the schools and whatever projects we're working on.
and many of our Churches are still full in my Diocese, we just don't have many priests. guess maybe Syracuse is the exception to the rule. |
Funny, I was the opposite. I was raised jewish, and converted to Catholicism when I reached 16 or 17 or so. I guess everyone finds solace in different things. As my friend always says: To each his ones own.
JR.
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Goddess0Whim
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| Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| The Privateer wrote: | Can you postal vote in America / Canada?
Why I ask is because there has been a huge problem in Birmingham, UK where a load of Asian Labour Party councillors were found in an abandoned warehouse (it must be one of the few that the Joker hasn't used for a hide-out previously) filling in loads of postal votes, and rigging the ballot.
I believe that the judge in charge of the ensuing court case commented that the postal vote system is as trustworthy as a Banana Republic election! As of the moment, my wife and I am registered for postal voting and they will probably use the same system for use to vote with. So I am wondering how they will monitor it. All that happens is we get a letter, put the X against the candidate we like and post back. Thus if you were an unscupulous postman for example, you could intercept my mail and vote for whoever and I would never know, only that I never received my vote. |
yes we can in the states, but different states have sifferent regulatitons about it. like for example in NY, it's only if you do alot of business between areas but ou live permanently in one place. when i voted last yr by mail at college(live on campus part time work permantently at my home count) the rule was i had to be signed in for it 1 1/2 mons in advance and send 2 forms of identification with my request, and i had to have a verifiable address and phone #'s at both locations to be contacted at, & someone to talk to at both ends. then if they deemed my reason not meeting standards for any reason, i couldn't vote, and if i marked the ballot page with anything but ink, or erased or altered anything, or marked it where it shouldn't have marked, it could be thrown out. plus you gotta mail it back ASAP.
don't know about other states regs. maybe that's why Florida and Ohio had so many probs.
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Goddess0Whim
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Funny, I was the opposite. I was raised jewish, and converted to Catholicism when I reached 16 or 17 or so. I guess everyone finds solace in different things. As my friend always says: To each his ones own.
JR. |
that is true, i guess that's why i find anthropology so interesting. but i think after 12 years of Catholiic school studies and then 4+ yrs of cross cultural studies it did nothing for me but reaffirm my faith by reaffirming the world's similarities.
guess this is the worng post to keep talking about this topic, but i find all of this extremely intresting. to explore the beyond.
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Slim
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Tricky election. I wish there was a part i beleived in.
I do know a few things heading in though. I can never, ever, vote for a party led by Blair. He's done too many inexcusable things. Sure, not all of them were his doing, but the way he refuses to admit to -or apologise- for anything has done the dammage.
I doubt i'll ever bring myself to vote Tory. I just cant see myself agreeing with their core ideas, however much they may pander to current public whims. Its like a joke about Jim Davidson (a 'comedian') "i dont know what i dont like about Davidson. The Wife beating, the racism, the sexism...theres just something i cant put my finger on", thats how i feel about the tories.
The libdems...well....they're like the kids at school who try to agree with everyone in order to get invited to ALL the parties. They may get my vote simply by being the party that offend me the least. Sad.
Of the others, well, they'd be pretty much wasted votes. But theyd still be votes. I just wish i could wave a wand and make sure the BNP get nothing. For gods sake, its like voting for the kkk. These people are the NF, it scares me that they get votes....and a lot of votes from people who dont really know who they are.
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i don't vote.... goverment might find me
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| Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Top_Quality wrote: | | i don't vote.... goverment might find me |
Town: Abbotsford BC.
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