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TheManWithoutFear · Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject:

You guys compare too much. Different artist/writers give us different styles. You can't compare a run with another run because it's like comparing apples and oranges any way you look at it. You might have favorite's and least favorites but as long as a writer doesn't make some drastic change in the character himself (which Bendis didn't do) than there's no platform in comparison. I would give Miller's run and Bendis' run both 5 stars equally because they were both good in their own ways. And you're more then welcome to vote lower but don't do it because someone else's run grabbed you more than another one did. The question is "how would you rate Bendis run?" not "how does it hold up to others?"
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rgj · Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject:

I'm going to agree with TheManWitoutFear, here. When I gave my grade on Bendis, it wasn't because I compared him to other DD scribes. As I've said before, I judge him on the merits of his individual arcs. I also ask myself what his entire run has meant for Matt Murdock/Daredevil and the 40 year old mythos. Forrest said that he give x writer 5 stars for this part of their run and y stars for another and then seems to choose which one outweighs the other. Me, I average the two parts out. For example, Chichester's pre Fall From Grace (especially his first 8 issues) were just about the best, most refreshing (truly, original--in other words didn't lean on the Miller-crutch) stuff I had ever read. Five stars, baby. But, his post Fall From Grace was just so disappointing, alot having to do with the direction the book took. Three stars, and I'm being generous. So, Chichester gets 4 stars in my book. 4 stars for Chichester for the entire thing.

I think I'll be starting a Best Bendis Arc Showdown soon. If someone like jc wants to see why someone (like me) could possibly give Bendis less than 5 stars, I'd be more then glad to go over it point by point, arc by arc, issue by issue, greatness by ridiculousness (is that a word?).

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james castle · Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject:

I honestly don't know what rgj is talking about. Where are these weak arc Bendis wrote? Surely everyone can agree that everything up to 50 was awesome. What was bad after that? King of Hells Kitchen? The frickin' ninja fight thing? The Widow? What? Plus, all this "let down at the end of arcs" nonsense is just nuts. Anyone who didn't think the end of The Widow was the greatest thing ever is crazy. And how about the jawdropping speach at the end of Decalogue? Those two moments alone are some of the finest in DD history.

As for the continuity stuff: so what? Honestly. We're not 12 anymore kids. Stan is no longer giving out No Prizes for spotting this crap. Demanding that a writer stick to 30+ years of continuity perfectly is not only to ask them to do something virtually impossible, it's also ridiculously restraining on them. Pointing to continuity gaffs is not the way one should think about the quality of comic writers anymore.
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TheManWithoutFear · Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject:

As much as some of the continuity holes in Bendis run were a little disappointing (and I do mean only a little) I give him a lot of credit for everything else he kept nodding too. I mean Decalogue had both Bullet and The Bomber in it and those were two issues that were definitely favorites of mine. I don't agree that it's ok for a writer to not keep up with continuity but I won't crucify them in an instance like this.

Bendis' USM/USM Video Game needs a lot of work though.
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james castle · Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject:

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Okay, I gave it 4 stars, here's why. First off, he had a tough act to follow with Kevin Smith and Quasada, so Underboss is forgiven of any shortcomings. Out was a groundbreaking first, so 5 stars to it, as the White Tiger trial truly was well done. The Lowlife didn't move me much, except to stall bringing the Kingpin back and starting the conflict between MM and Cage. Hardcore meets the standard that was set in Out, every issue being worth it alone. King of Hell's Kitchen is better when seen in the long run of things, connecting the beginning and end of Bendis' era, as well as the first two parts of King being worth many rereads. After that, it slowed down, but Decalogue and Murdock Papers both get 4-5 stars. In sum, disagree with me, but I'm looking at it as a whole, so some connecting parts get better ratings than they would alone. If you asked me about individual books, it would be different, but Bendis is at a 4.5, his better stuff making up for his slow moments.

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daredevil99x · Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject:

Five stars, all the way.
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rgj · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject:

james castle · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject:

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