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Bendis/Maleev's #26-#50 is better than Born Again
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Is Bendis/Maleev's #26-50 better than Born Again?
Yep
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 18%  [ 4 ]
No - you must be shrooming :P
81%
 81%  [ 18 ]
Total Votes : 22

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Forrest
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:28 pm    Post subject: Bendis/Maleev's #26-#50 is better than Born Again Reply with quote

I said it! This stuff is off the hook! Yep, I'm an old school fan and all (heck, Lee, Chichester and Nocenti are among my favorites), so this isn't just a vol. 2 vs. vol. 1 thing, it's simply a fact. Razz

...Just kidding. To each his own. I made this a poll, so please vote.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Born Again had a kick ass Kingpin. That alone makes it better.
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Pete
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't vote on this. There is no 'Well, it is great reading, but Born Again is better' option. So I'll pass. As for what I think, well, it is great reading, but Born Again is better.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus, Bendis!'s stuff, while entertaining, isn't even close to the greatness that is Born Again. I bet the ones who voted "yes," are Volume 2 only guys. That can only explain it.

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Blind Alley
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

26-50 is good stuff.

Born Again is... shaggadelic. It has so many F##CK YEAH moments (see the definition at http://daveslongbox.blogspot.com/2005/10/new-f-yeah-files.html)

26-50 includes "Lowlife" and "Trial of the century".

No, you can't say this part of Bendis-Maleev can compete with Born Again. Otherwise, you're a communist ! (just kidding)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah....no.
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Solid Snake PAC
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah...no. In the issues of 227-233 *Born Again*, Miller packed so much that you can't compare to the many issues that Bendis did. Miller f'd up DD's life in just that small amount of issues. I do love Bendis' run, but Frank Miller, at least to me, is the Definitive DD writer. He can jolt and stab you with so little. Bendis has had a many issue for his arc on DD. While Born Again and Bendis' run does affect Matt with so much. Miller was able to do the same amount with fewer issues.

Man, I kinda wish to see Miller at DD again. What would he bring?
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Darediva
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Close, maybe, but no cigar.

Both are great reads, but considering the volume of work, even I will concede that Miller's Born Again is still standing the test of time.

Ask me again in ten years.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miller's Born Again is considered a top 20 story in the history of this medium. Some would even argue that it is in the top 10. It would be greatly unfair to Bendis' work to place it next to Born Again at this time. It just doesn't compare and I do like Bendis' run very much. The true test is time. Like a bottle of red wine, this run needs some time to age in order to fully appreciate what it has to offer. It will probably be safe to say that this recent run will be the greatest read since Born Again.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clayton Blind Love wrote:
It will probably be safe to say that this recent run will be the greatest read since Born Again..


which is kinda sad considering Born Again was in the 80s...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good points, all. For the time being, I'm still thinking Bendis's #26-50 is better, albeit slightly. He broke down Matt/DD, and the superhero in general, in a much more thorough, interesting, and important manner than Miller did.

As much as I love Born Again (I deinitely think it's in the top 10 greatest stories told in the medium), I always felt like it was two different stories:

1) the breakdown and return of DD/Matt

2) ...that silly Nuke stuff.

To this day, I think that the whole Nuke angle really hurt Born Again.
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Ratchet
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To: Forrest
From: Ratchet


Get OFF the CRACK.


It kills--brain cells, that is.
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rgj
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forrest wrote:
2) ...that silly Nuke stuff.


Silly Nuke stuff!?

Give me a red.

rgj
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The Overlord
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get to go with "Born again", NMiller accomplished for in those 7 issues, then Bendis did in 24 issues. Miller got straight to the point and gave Matt hope and idealism at the end of Born again. Bendis took forever to get to the point and mainly just Matt tragic event, after tragic event. No contenst, Miller takes this one.
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daredevil99x
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I will probably re-read Bendis' run more often than Miller's, but Born Again is amazing. Overall I'd take Bendis' Daredevil run, but in putting those two section of work from each writer I had to go with Born Again.
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