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DareDevil #88 SPOILERS
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The Overlord
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
rgj wrote:
While you didn't think the Feds tried to kill him, you definitely thought that the Feds didn't have him. Which is what I had guessed at. And, I thought the issue said that the Feds went to him, not the other way around.

By the way, didn't Foggy say that the Feds were with him just prior to surgery. How did they get to him so fast?? How would they even know?? Interesting.

rgj


I have been wrong about Foggy not being in protective custody and about Foggy being dead.

But the thing your missing is motive, why would the FBI have Foggy killed and then put in protective custody? Also if the FBI is guilty, then did the Hand ninjas refer to Agent Pullman as a traitor, how could he be a traitor if he was working for the FBI in the first place, unless he was working for someone else and that someone is Alton Lennox, who has no connection to the FBI?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
No one said the FBI "had him killed."

My theory was always that "someone" tried to kill him, he survived, and the FBI stepped in. And, no one claimed Lennox had a connection with the Feds. At least, not me, brother. The only thing I thought that ended up being wrong was when I speculated "the government" (which includes polititians, law enfocement) may have been the ones to bring in the fake Daredevil, but this was more of a Civil War reasoning, not that the Feds would have Foggy killed. For heaven's sake, a prisoner was the one who stabbed him, how would anyone think it was "the Feds."

MM wrote:
But the thing your missing is motive, why would the FBI have Foggy killed and then put in protective custody


Strangly enough, the FBI agent protecting Foggy said something about different parts of the FBI not knowing what the other teams (the FBI director's "railroading of Matt") of the FBI are up to. Intersting. While Lennox isn't "connected" to the Feds (as an organization), is he connected to the director?

rgj

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The Overlord
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
rgj wrote:
No one said the FBI "had him killed."

My theory was always that "someone" tried to kill him, he survived, and the FBI stepped in. And, no one claimed Lennox had a connection with the Feds. At least, not me, brother.

rgj


I assume you talking about that other thread where I and the poster "Solarstorm" were debating whether the governemnt was behind Foggy's murder or not, you were involved with that discussion as well:

http://www.manwithoutfear.com/messageboard/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1483&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=mastermind&start=30
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You just proved my point, Master.

rgj wrote:
I don't see why you think the government being involved is anymore lamer than having a major lame character like Mr. Fear being involved. Look, whatever Brubaker is up to (government or super villain) I think he's going to pull it off. At least, these first fantastic issues has definitely given him credit in my bank.


This is what I said when when Solar specualated it was the govenrment and you said it should be someone like Mr. Fear. I never said that the Feds "killed" Foggy, I just said that you claiming a "govenrment" story was cliche is ridiculous, when how much more cliche (in this medium) can you get then some "super villain" being behind it (like Mr. Fear, as you'd like). Read it agian.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
rgj wrote:
You just proved my point, Master.

rgj wrote:
I don't see why you think the government being involved is anymore lamer than having a major lame character like Mr. Fear being involved. Look, whatever Brubaker is up to (government or super villain) I think he's going to pull it off. At least, these first fantastic issues has definitely given him credit in my bank.


This is what I said when when Solar specualated it was the govenrment and you said it should be someone like Mr. Fear. I never said that the Feds "killed" Foggy, I just said that you claiming a "govenrment" story was cliche is ridiculous, when how much more cliche (in this medium) can you get then some "super villain" being behind it (like Mr. Fear, as you'd like). Read it agian.

rgj


Alright fine, i just said it would have would more sense for a super villain to have Foggy killed then the government and I stand by the statement.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
johndunbar wrote:
I really enjoyed this one. It didn't have a filler feel to it, mainly because it took place in the current timeline of the story.

Loved the panels of the scenes from the past.
Loved the excellent feel Brubaker had for Foggy in his inner dialogue boxes.
Missed first person Matt, but I can deal since it was Foggy's issue.
Bring on Europe.


I started typing out my thoughts on the issue, but this take pretty much nails it.

Aja's art was very solid, I look forward to his work on Iron Fist.

Bring on Europe, indeed!


-Don
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's a first, glad my thoughts made sense. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Absoleutly loved the issue. I was mainly worried that with a new artist change for even one issue might, just might, throw the book off. I was totally wrong. This issue was awesome. The writing was awesome (duh), the art was awesome (surprise), and everything else inbetween was awesome. Did I mention this issue was great. It did have a couple "what?" moments, but it didn't slow it down one bit. I love this series.
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