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Franklin Nelson (his friends call him Foggy)
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:55 pm    Post subject: Franklin Nelson (his friends call him Foggy) Reply with quote

Classic Line: "Well, we can always resort to sheer panic"

One of my favourite items of the Bendis run on Daredevil is what he did with Franklin "Foggy" Nelson. The theory is that Foggy has been Matt' friend ever since they were roommates back in College, has been Matt's partner in a law firm ever since they both graduated (with occasional intervals) and he also eventually learned that Matt works extra hours by night in red tights (and did his best to get used to that). In short, he's Matt's best friend, through thick and thin... Well, Bendis made all this seem true: the conversations between the two friends/partners never sounded so true-to-life. Two longtime friends who, despite the occasional arguments and disagreements, stay loyal to each other.

Luckily, Brubaker is following the path and keeping a good characterization of him, Maybe putting a stress in Foggy's work as a lawyer, which is fine with me... This is, after all, what Nelson&Murdock are there for (kicking around ninjas and mobsters is, after all, not among the services offered by attorneys in law). I love that Brubaker is bringing back unfairly forgotten members of the DD secondary cast, as Becky Blake (and, I wonder if we'll see again in action other DD continuity lawyers like Kate Vinokur or Rosalind "Razor" Sharpe).

But well, back to the irrepressible Mr. Nelson, I'm most definitely glad that Mr. Brubaker didn't keep him in the coffin, not only because he's been there since the very beginning and is an essential part of the Daredevil Mythos, but, because in the right hands, he's also one of the best supporting characters in the Marvel universe. And the nice side is that, in a world were is not uncommon that longtime friends of a superhero eventually become supervillains or baddies (i.e. Harry Osborn to Peter Parker) Foggy has remained, plainly, Daredevil's pal. The down-to- earth Foggy is to the idealistic Matt what Sancho Panza was to the Quixote, or if you prefer it, the Papageno to Matt's Tamino. In a fictional noir world where darkness abounds, Foggy's unbeatable bonhomie is like a ray of sunshine.

Incidentally, there's been a lot of talk about the effect of Karen Page's death on Matt... But when Foggy says at the end of Vol. 2 #93 "I miss her too", well, I call this a king-size understatement... Anyone remembers he was mad about the girl, too, from the very beginning? And poor Foggy couldn't even attend her funeral, 'cause Kevin Smith thought a grand idea to have him imprisoned at Rykers at the time, sheesh.

Here you can see Marvel's quintaessential -if chaste- menage a trois in happier times, in a winsome vignette by Stan Lee and Gene Colan in Vol. 1 #2 (february 1967).



And well, further Foggy talk is most welcome.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I really love the way Foggy is portrayed currently in DD, I must admit that I don't dislike those vintage Foggy moments of the old continuity... To me they hold a charm of their own.

For instance, we have here a scene of the very first time when the Gladiator confronted Daredevil, only that the guy under the red costume was... Foggy!! (I don't think the fact is ever mentioned in the current "Devil gets his due" story arch, ha, ha). It was also the first time ever that Daredevil was outed by the press, only that the rags got the facts wrong, and thought that Daredevil was Attorney Franklin Nelson.

Foggy, who is masquerading as Daredevil in order to impress Karen, faces the hardships of a superhero's life: the difficulties of changing your clothes quickly, what to do with one's expensive taylor-made suit, and takes note to have a phone booth available the next time (all the while, the villain is impatiently waiting for action). Most surprisingly, Karen, who has met Daredevil before, doesn't notice that Foggy's belly is not exactly like the masked hero's gym-worked abdominals... Probably because of the mist.



(facts chronicled by Stan Lee and John Romita in Daredevil Vol. 1 #18 )
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another vintage goofy moment from Vol. 1 #9.

Foggy pretends that he's been very, very busy all morning, and Matt pretends he doesn't notice he hasn't. (Karen is thinking about a doctor who could restore Matt's sight, the dear girl).


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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I've always liked of the character is that he has always been a real friend to the protagonist. Matt could always count on him to be on his side.
There has been some debate here, recently, regarding Urich's actions in The Murdock Papers storyline, where, Ben's tricked by Fisk, and then blackmailed by the FBI director into revealing Matt's whereabouts.
Ben became frustrated, angered, he hit the Kingpin in frustration, but in the end he spoke (some readers didn't appreciate it, because they felt it was out of character).

Some issues later, in the very first issue by Brubaker, this point is addressed and we have a direct comparison between Ben and Foggy.
Foggy, at first sight an innocuous overweight chap, has the guts to tell Urich that "He was a friend only between one headline and the next one".
The message is that Foggy would've never betrayed Matt, not even under blackmail.
Later in that same arc, this is confirmed when we see Foggy giving all he can to help his incarcerated friend. To the point that he even gets "killed" because of it.

Other moments in which Foggy's importance is underlined can be seen in Bendis'run, where Foggy stands on Matt's side when he's outed. Or even when he "simply" comforts Matt when he's in attrition with Milla.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Francesco wrote:
What I've always liked of the character is that he has always been a real friend to the protagonist. Matt could always count on him to be on his side.

Indeed, when in "The Murdock papers" the Black Widow comes to his office and offers Foggy the chance to flee the USA (so desperate is the situation) Foggy chooses to stay... Now, this certainly requires nerve (or blind loyalty, or faith)... Hey! Anyone else would flee to Argentina, France or the Negative Zone if required!

Francesco wrote:
... regarding Urich's actions in The Murdock Papers storyline, where, Ben's tricked by Fisk, and then blackmailed by the FBI director into revealing Matt's whereabouts.
Ben became frustrated, angered, he hit the Kingpin in frustration, but in the end he spoke (some readers didn't appreciate it, because they felt it was out of character).
Some issues later, in the very first issue by Brubaker, this point is addressed and we have a direct comparison between Ben and Foggy.
Foggy, at first sight an innocuous overweight chap, has the guts to tell Urich that "He was a friend only between one headline and the next one".

Now, I really like ben Urich, myself.... He could have got the scoop of the century years ago and kept his mouth shut, and is a real friend of Matt, too.
I understand that he must have been pressed up (by the Kingpin and the FBI) and let's have in mind his uncomfortable recollections of Elektra's sais across his chest. In "Born Again, for instance, he also cowed when the Kingpin sent that hulk of a nurse to "warn" him... But this makes Urich real for me, his fear is understatable and very human. However, Foggy has his point about censoring him, more when Urich suggests that he might be manoeuvring (i.e. False Daredevil) to fool the public opinion and any potential Jury... I guess this is the proverbial last drop for Foggy, because he's actually not involved with the new Daredevil and is trying to get Matt free and keep him in Law practice by the book (in his interview with Matt at Ryker's it is obvious that Foggy wants to avoid perjury as he considers it ethically wrong.

Possibly Foggy is also a bit tired of the press harassment Nelson &Murdock have been undergoing for months and months (which has made him nearly a recluse of the Nelson & Murdock offices), and poor Ben is getting a bit of -subsconscious- retaliation for that, too.

Francesco wrote:
Other moments in which Foggy's importance is underlined can be seen in Bendis'run, where Foggy stands on Matt's side when he's outed. Or even when he "simply" comforts Matt when he's in attrition with Milla.

Incidentally, when Milla goes for the first time to Nelson&Murdock and starts making advances to Matt, and Matt flirts back, the look in Foggy's eye is the look of someone who is well aware of the impending perils for that budding relationship... something of which Matt or Milla are quite oblivious then. It adds extra merit when he later acts in order to help them both.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Francesco wrote:
There has been some debate here, recently, regarding Urich's actions in The Murdock Papers storyline, where, Ben's tricked by Fisk, and then blackmailed by the FBI director into revealing Matt's whereabouts.
Ben became frustrated, angered, he hit the Kingpin in frustration, but in the end he spoke (some readers didn't appreciate it, because they felt it was out of character).

Some issues later, in the very first issue by Brubaker, this point is addressed and we have a direct comparison between Ben and Foggy.
Foggy, at first sight an innocuous overweight chap, has the guts to tell Urich that "He was a friend only between one headline and the next one".
The message is that Foggy would've never betrayed Matt, not even under blackmail.
Later in that same arc, this is confirmed when we see Foggy giving all he can to help his incarcerated friend. To the point that he even gets "killed" because of it.


To be fair to Ben Urich, Foggy doesn't have a wife (anymore) or children whose safety and well-being he has to protect. That being said, I don't think there is a better example of a true friend in all of comicdom (well, the ones I read, anyway) than Franklin Nelson.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neilan wrote:
To be fair to Ben Urich, Foggy doesn't have a wife (anymore) or children whose safety and well-being he has to protect. That being said, I don't think there is a better example of a true friend in all of comicdom (well, the ones I read, anyway) than Franklin Nelson.

I agree that Urich should not be criticised for having a moment of weakness... one of the most hair-raising moments of Miller's "Born Again" is when Ben's sweet-natured and trusting wife Doris opens the door of her home to Kingpin's henchwoman (the deadly matron)... Good thing Miller left her only with a scar and a scare (Miller is, after all, not Kevin Smith). I think that this is a good example of how vulnerable Daredevil's friends are to enemy attacks. Still, if Ben Urich has had any moments of weakness, he's also got moments worthy of the red badge of courage, i.e., when he tells JJ Jameson that Murdock isn't Daredevil, because he knows who Daredevil really is.

Incidentally, It's not poor Foggy's fault that he remains unattached (and therefore, less vulnerable than Ben, in the family sense), as writers seem to have something against his eventual couples, see: one wife divorced because he preferred a savage brute -and crime lord- who mistreated her, an ex-girlfriend (Glorianna O'Breen) estranged and later murdered, a one-night-stand (Lydia McKenzie) thrown out of the window, and another girlfriend (Liz Allen) who dropped him without allowing a good explanation (something like: "Gosh, honey, a supervillain framed me just to screw my best buddy!")... and I am not counting Karen Page, whose fate we all know, and was Foggy's first love -or nearly-... That Foggy still remains the amiable fellow he is indicates he copes admirably with all that disgrace... or maybe he is essentially a positive, "keep moving forward" guy.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To clear the field from any doubt, I'll repeat my point about Urich's depiction in The Murdock Papers. I appreciated it, because it provided a more mature view on the position of supporting characters in comics.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:57 pm    Post subject: "Actually, I think we might use something" Reply with quote

Another Foggy moment, this time of more recent vintage. Set: Daredevil-Spiderman miniseries, issue 4, By Paul Jenkins and Phil Winslade.



While ol' hornhead and your friendly webcrawler neighbour join efforts in New York to battle the Owl, the Stiltman, the Gladiator and some hordes from hell who just dropped by, The Black Widow and Foggy team up in Wisconsin to find evidence against the Kingpin, Foggy by browsing a plethora of old invoices, and Natasha by looking for some secret door keeping dark secrets behind.

Natasha, with all her super-spy skills, can't find anything beyond some family jewels and pet photos in Kingpin's ultra-secret safe. Foggy, who is trying to fix some mechanical trouble in his sidekick "crap-mobile", just drops: "actually, I think we might use something" ...And Foggy's eagle-eye for detail saves the day (again). Ta-daa!

A bit of continuity gone with the wind: at the end of the miniseries, Foggy asks permission to Matt to date Natasha, as it seems that te team-work entente back in cold Wisconsin was reasonably good (and no doubt enticed by Natasha's passing mention about traditional methods of keeping body-warmth in ice-cold Siberia), and Matt (as the widow ex-boyfriend) gives Foggy his blessings to go ahead... No further references about this fact have been mentioned in contimuing issues, and I admit I am curious about what happened... if ever.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Francesco wrote:
To clear the field from any doubt, I'll repeat my point about Urich's depiction in The Murdock Papers. I appreciated it, because it provided a more mature view on the position of supporting characters in comics.


Exactly! As a father of two myself, you WILL do whatever it takes to protect your own family over EVERYTHING else. This is not betrayal. This is common sense.

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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clayton Blind Love wrote:
Francesco wrote:
To clear the field from any doubt, I'll repeat my point about Urich's depiction in The Murdock Papers. I appreciated it, because it provided a more mature view on the position of supporting characters in comics.


Exactly! As a father of two myself, you WILL do whatever it takes to protect your own family over EVERYTHING else. This is not betrayal. This is common sense.

C.


Yet, Brubaker's greatness in the comparison between Foggy and Ben stands in the fact that he didn't seem to state that Foggy's behaviour was "the definitive one" that a friend should have. He just showed the contrast. The disappointment of Foggy towards Ben. And, two or three panels later, Ben's comprehensible frustration, depicted on his face, and he walking alone in the rain.
Brubaker showed us that Ben did whatever it took to protect his family. But also that:
1)This didn't mean he wasn't tormented about it.
2)This didn't mean that others haven't seen this as a betrayal (Foggy).
3)This, anyway, didn't mean he wasn't worried about Matt, or that he wasn't going to make up for it (as shown later on).

This multi-layered view of things is what made me appreciate the characters' depiction in Brubaker's run.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Francesco wrote:

Yet, Brubaker's greatness in the comparison between Foggy and Ben stands in the fact that he didn't seem to state that Foggy's behaviour was "the definitive one" that a friend should have. He just showed the contrast.
(...)
This multi-layered view of things is what made me appreciate the characters' depiction in Brubaker's run.

Ditto. Much like in real life: no-one is entirely right or wrong,
as in Jean Renoir's famous statement, "everybody has got reasons"
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:28 pm    Post subject: The Perils of Franklin Reply with quote

Those who started reading Daredevil in recent years are familiar with the idea that living in danger is a staple of daily life for Matt Murdock's friends and loved ones. And Foggy Nelson in jeopardy à la Pearl White is a grand old tradition of the series.

"The Perils of Franklin" indeed! Yes, when you live close to Daredevil you can find yourself...

...feeling tonge-tied (and ankle-tied and wrist-tied to boot) (Stan Lee, Gene Colan Daredevil Vol. 1 #29)



... hanging from a window (courtesy of friendly arachnids) (Stan Lee, John Romita, Dardevil Vol. 1 #17)



...having your best buddy's ex-girlfriends trying to kill you (Frank Miller, DaredeVil Vol. 1 #181)



...or enjoying a Tarzan ride courtesy of nutty visitors to the Big Apple (Joe Kelly, Bernard Chang, Daredevil/Deadpool Special)


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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I’m reading the Frank Miller stuff for the first time (shocking, I know, but I’m a new discoverer . . . with an obsessive bent and will be moving through the whole history sometime or another) and just wanted to point out that Foggy wears the flyest (fliest? most fly?) tuxedo EVER when he gets married in DD#168. Technicolor!
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