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Batman (All Star and Confidential) ?
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harryhausen
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: Batman (All Star and Confidential) ? Reply with quote

So, I know this was probably beat to death when issue #1 came out (when was that? 2 years ago?), but do any of you read All-Star Batman (and Robin the blah-blah-blah)?

I bring this back up because many people (including, I believe, our pal Dave Wallace), are intimating that this series might be getting up on its feet a little. What with Miller and all, I thought that some DD freaks like ourselves might be up on it.

I’ll admit, too, that I like it a lot. In fact, other than the, uh, . . . delays, I don’t really understand all the criticism it’s receiving. It seems perfectly logical, but then I’m a bit of a drinker . . .

Also, I gotta say that I’m really liking this recent ‘Joker’ arc in Batman Confidential. I’m more excited about this book than any other Bat-Book, especially with this crazy family crossover thing that’s about to happen . . .

Thoughts on All Star and Confidential, people?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I plan to buy All Star Bats when it comes out in trade. I'm a huge fan of Miller, ever in madcap mode (I liked DKR). Plus, I figure that by going in knowing what to expect I'll enjoy it more.

As for Confidential - I hear the new Joker arc is undoing what was done in the Killing Joke. Given that the Killing Joke is my favorite Batman comic of all time (and potentially comic period) I think this is a huge mistake. And ridiculous. And stupid. And I hate it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, yeah, yeah – it definitely runs counter to Killing Joke in some key ways. And I love Killing Joke, too. I just read it as non-continuity fun. Or maybe another take on the Joker’s misrememberings?

Either way, it’s a cool characterization of him and the art is my cup of tea - scratchy with that weird, shifting anatomy thing. Cowan draws a super-crazy-looking Joker! He seems just apeshit out of his mind in a new way. And the plotting and pace are sure-handed, to boot.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I´m buying All-Star Batman and Robin, but I´m not really enjoying it that much. I´m not enjoying Miller´s characterization of Batman. All the maniacal laughter? It doesn´t fit in with what I´ve come to know from the character. And I think he´s trying to use to many characters, which I think is a general problem with Batbooks these days. A whole issue that deals with the Black Canary, and she doesn´t seem to have much to do with the central plot so far. Samething with Barbara Gordon. I thought Superman was going to get involved, but he hasn´t appeared in several issues.

Great work by Jim Lee though.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I'm here to say the Mr. Castle is totally right. Batman Confidential has come off the rails and is silly. Long live the Killing Joke.

I stand by all other things Bat (yes, ASB&RtBW, too), though.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just saw this thread, so apologies for the delayed response.

I dropped Batman Confidential after the first couple of issues as it just didn't appeal to me - the story wasn't my kind of Batman story, and I wasn't a big fan of the art.

However, I've stuck with All-Star Batman despite the problems I have with it. I have a real love/hate relationship with the book. It seems to me that it's partly parody (and self-parody), partly an exploration of how a "realistic" (ie. psychopathic and borderline schizophrenic) Batman might operate, and partly an exercise in shocking readers and challenging their expectations. It's certainly not a Batman that I find particularly sympathetic or heroic, but it's still oddly compelling.

I do think that Miller has shown a very blasé attitude in his writing of the book - his plot is meandering and frequently feels as though it's being made up as he goes along, there are lots of inconsistencies in the story, loads of extended tangents that distract from the main story, Robin has been relegated to less than a supporting role, and the characterisation of several characters seems to be wilfully inaccurate (or, since this is a new continuity, consciously different to the well-known versions of the characters, for no apparent reason).

Still, the art is lovely, and I still find myself bizarrely compelled to read the book. Issue #8 is due out today, right? I'll be interested to see what Miller and Lee's new take on the Joker is like.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I think Miller's depiction of the Joker has turned out to be a highlight in the series so far. It is disturbing to imagine the Joker having sex, but then what follows is the Joker's "special kind of love." It is so twisted and the internal monologue during it is so methodical and chilling.

I can't finish this entry without commenting on the Joker's henchwoman, who I call Swastika nipples. I don't know how Miller's mind is working these days.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dimetre wrote:
Actually, I think Miller's depiction of the Joker has turned out to be a highlight in the series so far. It is disturbing to imagine the Joker having sex, but then what follows is the Joker's "special kind of love." It is so twisted and the internal monologue during it is so methodical and chilling.

Yes - I just finished reading this issue, and it was probably one of the best of the series so far. I liked his take on the Joker, I enjoyed Batman's antics a lot more than usual, and the Robin storyline actually seems to be going somewhere.

Dimetre wrote:
I can't finish this entry without commenting on the Joker's henchwoman, who I call Swastika nipples. I don't know how Miller's mind is working these days.

The same way it did when he wrote Dark Knight Returns, I guess... Smile

Check out the first few pages of the third issue of DKR, as that's where she first appeared.

It looks like Miller is making good on his claims that All-Star Batman takes place in the same universe as DKR - and the reference to the Joker's poisoning of the water supply ties it in with Year One, too.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the arc was supposed to end with #8 (i.e. the first trade should come out soon). But it sounds like that isn't the case. When's the trade coming out? When?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last I heard, the trade was meant to collect issues #1-8 - but it doesn't seem like it from this issue, does it?
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