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Elektra: The Hand and The Devil
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly? I really didn't think it was that bad. Costumes always look terrible in real life unless you're willing to spend a fortune on them, you don't have access to any special effects, and there are no stuntmen. The dialogue could have been better and the same goes for the acting, but on the whole I quite enjoyed it for what it was. It's a fan project and I do feel the love for the characters there.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't the fact that they completely changed the story bother anyone?

It's like if someone made a fan film of Hamlet and at the end everyone had a party and then a pillow fight. If I saw that I'd assume the people who made it didn't really like Hamlet that much.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james castle wrote:
Doesn't the fact that they completely changed the story bother anyone?

No. It's completely permissible to reinterpret a story or to write a new story inspired by an old story. It's poetic license, and as long as they're not doing it while writing the actual book, I'm 100% fine with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya a bit but at the same time I'm not too worried about it because it's just a fan film. My expectations we're not too high. Now if it a big budget movie I expect it to be better and close to the source material. (MSJ are you reading this? Mad )
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey everyone. My name is Chris .R. Notarile, I am the director of the Elektra fan film. I read all of your comments and I want to thank those who supported the film. I guess I did raise a few questions so I'm here to answer them.

1. Why did I change the story? Well I was pretty spot on with the death of Elektra and partially correct with the resurrection. But with the her fight with Daredevil, that's where I took the creative liscense. I wanted to do something simple and to the point, the point was that love conquers all. And Elektra and Mat are always connected. Also I think it was a little closer to the source material when in comparrison to the Hollywood Elektra and Daredevil films.

2. Why did everyone call DD the devil? Cause it was cool. That's all. I just thought it sounded more cryptic than Daredevil. I figure the only people who call DD by his full name are American villains liked Kingpin or Bullseye. Someone like Elektra or the resurrectionist would instead call him, the devil because they lack that informal relationship, if that makes any sense.

3. The production quality, what gives? I shot this film on HD believe it or not. Youtube has a funny way of taking everything I've shot and compressing it horribly to the point that it looks like it could have been shot on home video. Budget wise, we had nothing. No money whatsoever. We shot in Chinatown, NYC in the blistering cold no less. As far as my shots are concerned, I wanted to keep everything grounded. I wanted the camera to be there for the fights the whole time. We also used all natural lighting since were did not have the ability to lug lights around nor did we have a place to plug them in. FYI- I had no crew either. It was just me and a camera. I'm not trying to make an excuse for anything, just wanted to fill you all in.

4. The costumes. I purposely chose to keep the costumes loyal to the comics. It was a must for me. I didn't like either of Elektra's movie costumes. I enjoyed the DD leather suit, but I wanted spandex this time around. I just don't understand how a blind man all of the sudden knows how to do intricate leather work. I figure in my case, he bought red under armor and sewed a mask some how. Bullseye on the other hand was a practical amalgamation of the comic and movie version. The scene where he followed Elektra to Matt's house in the comics, to me didn't make much sense for him to keep his mask on. So I gave him street cloths with a removable mask so he can blend in more easily.

5. The perfomance. For the short schedule we had with all of the unforseen circumstances that happened that I won't go into, I just tried to make due with what I had. I think Elektra did a great job. Bullseye did leave something to be desired in my opinion, but thankfully he didn't have much to say. As for DD, I think he had his moments. There were times where I think he could have been stronger, but I feel nothing in his performance took away from the film.

So anyhoo, I hope that helps. Sorry my response was so long, but I wanted to be as thorough as possible.

Thanks for watching.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With regard to the production values, the stunts and even the acting I think they were all great. They were definately in the "way better than I could possibly ever do" catagory which is the standard by which anything fan made should be judged.

Still, I take issue with the story. It's all well and good to want to take some creative license and make the point you want to make but it really is akin to having Hamlet survive at the end. Or making a Batman fanfilm where his parents show up and it turns out they just faked their death in order to punk Bruce.

Bullseye kills Elektra. Check. The Hand resurrect Elektra. Nope. And she comes back as zombie lady (nope) who thinks she still works for the Kingpin (nope) but is saved (nope) by Matt (nope) when he takes off his mask (?).

blinky500 wrote:

But with the her fight with Daredevil, that's where I took the creative liscense. I wanted to do something simple and to the point, the point was that love conquers all.


You see, the problem is that the point you wanted to make is about the exact opposite point that's made in the comics. It's like Superman punches heads off children for fun.

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And Elektra and Mat are always connected. Also I think it was a little closer to the source material when in comparrison to the Hollywood Elektra and Daredevil films.


Since you made up an entirely new plot line entirely unconnected to the source material I'm not sure how your piece is "closer" to the source material than anything else. If Foggy showed up and beat Elektra to death it would have been just as close to the source material.

Anyway, nerdy story gripes aside I say good job.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well is it not true that in the comics the hand tried to resurrect elektra? cause i remember seeing that. i guess if anything, you can equate my return of elektra to where she might fit better into an ultimate's story line. i dont know if she was killed in ultimates or not, but i think this would fit better into it. also, if a newer dd movie were to ever be made, i see this as a possible alternate storyline to how she comes back. also, i think this is how miller might have done it if he ever intended to bring elektra back. i know he wanted her dead for the longest time, and my knowledge of the marvel universe is not as vast as my knowledge of the dcu.

in any case, i think this makes for a better short story line than the extensive and confusing story they gave her in the comics. but thats just me talking.

also as a dd and elektra fan, i would have personally prefered it to be this way. i like the idea of soulmates and how people are and always will be connected through love and experience. so i think this is a little more sweet.

am i making any sense?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible to have an autographed photograph of Ms Santiago in costume?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

absolutely. you can email kim through her myspace at:

www.myspace.com/kns117
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blinky500 wrote:
absolutely. you can email kim through her myspace at:

www.myspace.com/kns117


Could you send her a message for me? I'm not registered to myspace.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blinky500 wrote:
well is it not true that in the comics the hand tried to resurrect elektra? cause i remember seeing that. i guess if anything, you can equate my return of elektra to where she might fit better into an ultimate's story line. i dont know if she was killed in ultimates or not, but i think this would fit better into it. also, if a newer dd movie were to ever be made, i see this as a possible alternate storyline to how she comes back. also, i think this is how miller might have done it if he ever intended to bring elektra back. i know he wanted her dead for the longest time, and my knowledge of the marvel universe is not as vast as my knowledge of the dcu.


Good to see you researched your piece so well. The assertion that "this is how miller might have done it" is, pardon my french, ridiculous.

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in any case, i think this makes for a better short story line than the extensive and confusing story they gave her in the comics. but thats just me talking.


You can't be serious.

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also as a dd and elektra fan, i would have personally prefered it to be this way. i like the idea of soulmates and how people are and always will be connected through love and experience. so i think this is a little more sweet.

am i making any sense?


No. As a true Hamlet fan I would have personally preferred that, at the end of the play, Hamlet blast into space and meet up with Luke and Han Solo. I think that would be a little more cool.

Look, I hate to crap all over your movie (even though I think everything except the story is great) but comon. You come on a DD message board and proclaim that your "story line" is better than that in the comics, that Frank Miller (Frank Miller for god's sake) probably would have done it this way and that as a fan of Daredevil you would have rather Daredevil had been told your way than the way it was. And this is when you're "story" is a childish "love conquers all" thing? And while pointing out that you don't really know that much about Daredevil to the point where you confuse the 616 and Ultimate versions? Comon.
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No. As a true Hamlet fan I would have personally preferred that, at the end of the play, Hamlet blast into space and meet up with Luke and Han Solo. I think that would be a little more cool.


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Or making a Batman fanfilm where his parents show up and it turns out they just faked their death in order to punk Bruce.


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If Foggy showed up and beat Elektra to death it would have been just as close to the source material.


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It's like if someone made a fan film of Hamlet and at the end everyone had a party and then a pillow fight.


Damnit, James. You have a hidden talent. I would totally watch every single one of those.

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And this is when you're "story" is a childish "love conquers all" thing?


Yeah. I'll believe that only if and when I'm getting my autograph.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james castle wrote:
Look, I hate to crap all over your movie (even though I think everything except the story is great) but comon. You come on a DD message board and proclaim that your "story line" is better than that in the comics, that Frank Miller (Frank Miller for god's sake) probably would have done it this way and that as a fan of Daredevil you would have rather Daredevil had been told your way than the way it was. And this is when you're "story" is a childish "love conquers all" thing? And while pointing out that you don't really know that much about Daredevil to the point where you confuse the 616 and Ultimate versions? Comon.

Where did you get all that? That's not what he said.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i looked up how elektra was brought back and i felt it a little contribed. apparently daredevil performed a resurrection? since when was he a voodoo priest?

also, get off the hamlet anaylogy.

if it will make you feel better, the next time i see miller, i will show him my film and get a direct opinion from him.

with the budget constraints and convuluted storyline marvel has with having new writers on titles every couple of months, i would like to think that if one person stayed on the story of elektra's resurrection (miller) and finally decided to resurrect the character on his own, i think this how he would have done it.

this is my opinion, just as your hamlet thing is your opinion. so im not trying to debate things with you, i just feel that if there was to be a rewrite to the elektra daredevil backstory, this might be a cool cleaner way to handle things.

also fransesco, kim will be happy to hook you up with an autography, just pm me and i will give you the proper information.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blinky500 wrote:
i would like to think that if one person stayed on the story of elektra's resurrection (miller) and finally decided to resurrect the character on his own, i think this how he would have done it.


Okay, so it's your opinion. But what are you basing this opinion on? Miller's Elektra Lives Again in which Elektra kinda comes back (but not really) and fights naked ninja zombies while Matt kills someone with his mind? Or maybe it's Miller's Man Without Fear in which, after they make love, Elektra, instead of giving Matt a necklace, tells Matt that she killed four people that day (which she did! a couple with her bare hands!). Or maybe you're basing it on Miller's Elektra Assassin. Surely the Elektra presented there would drop her weapons and get all weepy over true love.

Just cuz I'm curious though, if Miller did stay on and bring Elektra back (even though he always wanted her to stay dead) do you think he would actually have a shot of Elektra and Matt playing with a dog or is that just something you added?

Hahahahahahaha.
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