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digodiego
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 Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: Has anyone readed batman/daredevil crossover? |
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I'm thinking of reading them (there are two crossovers), but I have a feeling they are far from being the masterwork that it should be.
The first time I saw it I thought... "WOW!! Batman and Daredevil!! Two dark, tragic night guardians, the best from each comic company! Both with a firmly personal sense of justice and a tragic reason of the past that force them to be and act like dark tortured avengers!! And together!! this's gonna be EPIC!!"
But then I thought that if I haven't heared of this crossover before is because it's only another normal comicbook for my dissapointment... but I may be mistaken!
What was your impression? |
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Dimetre
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 2:47 am Post subject: |
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In my opinion your suspicions are correct. I consider neither of them to be a masterwork that these characters deserve.
I feel the better of the two is the first one, written by D.G. Chichester and featuring Two Face and Mr. Hyde as villains. Chichester has contributed a compelling history between Harvey Dent and Matt Murdock, and the rapport between Batman and Daredevil is nicely played. However, I feel that the relationship between Daredevil and Two Face is played to the expense of Batman.
The other book (I can't remember the title, author or artist) features Kingpin and Scarecrow, and, as pretty as the pictures are, it's pretty lame. The ending makes me think that the writer didn't understand how Daredevil works as a character at all. I haven't read it since it came out, and it still sits in my long box. |
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Knatty Dreadnok
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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I wholeheartedly agree with Dimetre. The first one was the best. Neither book did either of the characters any real justice but if you can find them cheap, particularly the first one... then by all means pick it up. They're the equivalent of watching a "B" movie. Both center around a common theme... DD and the Dark Knight getting into a brief pissing contest and from there they subdue each others respective villains. 
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baker
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| I actually think the second one is better. The Chichester/McDaniel one was so boring and spastic. The other one's called Batman/Daredevil: King of New York, by Alan Grant [writer], Eduardo Barreto [artist], and Matt Hollingsworth [color, and his first work on a DD title]. The writing is more streamlined and the art is more iconic. |
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Dre
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Knatty Dreadnok
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| baker wrote: | | I actually think the second one is better. The Chichester/McDaniel one was so boring and spastic. The other one's called Batman/Daredevil: King of New York, by Alan Grant [writer], Eduardo Barreto [artist], and Matt Hollingsworth [color, and his first work on a DD title]. The writing is more streamlined and the art is more iconic. |
Heh heh... I liked the first one for similar reasons. Matt Murdock seemed to be a bit more rash & exuberant, it was a refreshing take on his character in contrast to Batman's, which drew a significant distinction between their personalities. In or out of his outfit Matt was the polar opposite to Bruce Wayne's hard nosed grim demeanor. Bruce Wayne was out of character at the end of the book, even without the mask he was still acting like Batman... which was rather odd (atleast to me). I got the impression Chichester didn't know how to really portray the character. He had Batman down but dropped the ball with his alter ego Bruce Wayne. However, Chichester was consistent when it came to their involvement. Despite Daredevil's overtures to work together Batman was rather smug and obnoxious preferring to work alone.
I didn't care for how Batman had a slight advantage over Daredevil (in spite of Matt's radar). Not being able to detect his presence until the last second was a gross oversight and even getting in a few cheap shots without Daredevil returning any. If I recall Daredevil stayed on the defensive, all DD did was catch a few batarangs and break a grapple by throwing the Dark Knight. Which was nonsense by the way but whatever, I half expected something like that since Batman is a headliner and Daredevil is a second stringer.
The art was good in imhop but not great, for some reason it reminded me of Romita's work on the first Batman/Punisher crossover which was a much better read and had better artwork but I digress. The story did appear somewhat rushed with slight flaws but I still enjoyed it just the same. Two Face & Hyde were alright but what I really thought was a nice touch was Matt Murdock & Harvey Dent's past, the two being lawyers and knowing each other from school. Like I said it had "B" movie appeal.
The second one... was lost on me. I think if a writer is going to use the King Pin in a Batman/Daredevil crossover story, there are only a handful of Gotham players he would do business with and the Scarecrow isn't one of them. The Penguin maybe or perhaps Black Mask... maybe even Rah's Ghul but using the Scarecrow, pardon the pun, is clutching at straws.
Then there was the art which I think had only one really good captivating scene but even that was somewhat lost on me since they were much higher up, virtually hovering above the buildings they typically swing from. On a more positive note, egos aside, from a team up stand point they were written alot better in the second book than they were in the first. Pooling resources, they were more productive and less focus went into who was calling the shots. Nevertheless both books were hit or miss and neither quite made a lasting impression on fans.
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dsugar
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I enjoyed the first DD/Batman (better than the 2nd) by Chichester and the artwork by McDaniel. I thought the cover was great (see the original art even better). I agree with "Knatty Dreadnok" that Batman or basically anyone should be not able to surprise DD with his Radar sense. Personally I think many writers have trouble using Daredevil's senses and skills. I enjoyed the battle between DD and Batman and the connection between Harvey Dent and Matt Murdock was great. There were a couple of nice splashes like DD hanging on to the top of the Batmobile and the page DD and Batman found that girl hanging by her neck. These are 2 great characters and hopefully there will be many more teamups. I'd like to see Deathstroke with Bullseye or Typhoid?
I'd like to see McDaniel involved again - If not or with Sale, Loeb, Romita, Miller or Neal Adams. |
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