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Bullseye11 · Flying Blind Joined: 05 Oct 2013 Posts: 67 Location: PA

Absolutley not. Has anyone read frank Millers blog? Around 911 he went absolutely nuts and all his work is crap. He would only tarnish the daredevil name.

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The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

kentuckydevil · Flying Blind Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 79

would love to see rucka and lark try again...but it ain't happening..

as mentioned..jeff lemier(sp)..and A Sorrentino.would be great..

perhaps its time for dennis hopeless to get a shot.. I remember reading his name was out there as a possible a yr or so ago..

Dayle88 · Playing to the Camera Joined: 25 Mar 2015 Posts: 140

I guess it depends on whether or not he is consciously writing things the way he is or has profoundly changed so much that that is all he can do now.

Either way, a mini series is more Daredevil so I'd be on board for that. If he did the main series and it was terrible he'd be kicked off pretty quick and I'm bored of Waid now so it wouldn't be a big deal.

thomam · Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:30 pm Post subject: Christos Gage?

Absolution by Christos Gage was great! Gage also wrote some of the netflix episodes.

Gage?

james castle · Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:37 pm Post subject:

Dimetre · Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:47 pm Post subject:

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james castle · Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:46 pm Post subject:

You both make the same points and I'm not completely unsympathetic. Still:

Miller: You didn't get a little choked up when Batman brings Dick to the graveyard? I thought that was a solid pay off for the entire series. It really should have just ended there. It was a really good and sad point well made. For me it redeemed the whole series. That said, I also like the rest of it. I get how "The God Damned Batman" may not be your cup of tea but for me it was pretty amazing.

Lee: I admit that I probably just haven't read enough stuff. Never read Silver Age Fantasic Four or Spider-Man or Silver Surfer. The only Marvel comics I've ever really cared about at all are Daredevil and the X-Men and, in my view, Stan Lee contributed very little to either of them. I've said this before but I don't even think Lee understands Daredevil now. Any time anyone asks him about Daredevil Lee goes on about how he's a blind hero, a handicapped hero - isn't that neat! But he isn't. Matt can "see" and hear and radar, etc. much, much better than anyone else. He's the furtherest thing from disabled - he's super abled! And even though I love them now I don't think Foggy and Karen are particularly original. Chubby Funny Sidekick and Blonde Love Interest? Pretty hard to come up with something more generic.

I also get annoyed when Lee takes credit when it's clearly not due. Just yesterday there was an interview with Bryan Singer who said that he asked Lee if he ever saw the X-Men as a stand in for LBGQ issues and Lee said "absolutely!". Which is completely ridiculous. Elsewhere Lee has admitted that he just got bored of writing origins. The whole X-Men as civil rights metaphor has nothing to do with Lee.

But I accept his Silver Surfer is good.
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james castle · Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:29 pm Post subject:

At the risk of pissing off Christine, I have to disagree. Sure you can drag out examples of 2D things that Matt misses and you can say that he only "sees" shapes but I'm not convinced.

We use our senses to get an accurate understanding of our environment. I don't think you can just say "sure, he can 'see' in 360 degrees". You have to say "He can 'see' in 360 degrees! That's astonishing! And he can do that all the time!" That gives him way more information about what's going on around him than sight ever could. Plus, the radar plus the senses give him the ability to senses things at a distance (I'm not going to speculate on how much of a distance (again so as not to anger Christine)) and to sense small things in a way no sighted person can. It's well established that he can "see" the trajectory of a bullet. Not being able to get 2D information is bad, for sure, but it's more than made up by being able to "see" a bullet as it flies and the like.

In the end it's a judgment call obviously but I don't think you can discount the radar as just seeing shapes in 360.
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admiralpetty · Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:57 am Post subject:

My reply is simply meant for the title of the thread.

NO, MILLER SHOULD NEVER WRITE DAREDEVIL AGAIN!!!

As far as DD stories go, Miller is most definitely the best writer to ever work on Daredevil, as well as the writer who truly brought DD to greatness. I cannot overstate how much I adore Miller's DD work, as well as his work at DC during that era. His work on Daredevil and Batman changed comics going forward and the man is rightfully a comic book legend.

All of that being said, I tend to look at Miller as the George Lucas of comic books. He helped change the industry, and his early work is a treasure trove, but the man has lost his touch. All Star Batman and Robin(just one example of his terrible later work) was terrible, there are far to many bad things in that story to excuse any of the so-called good parts. At this stage in his career, Miller is a legend who doesn't have to listen to editors(who are probably to busy worshiping him anyway) or other sane people in the bullpen.

Lets look at Man Without Fear, Miller's last DD story, also a classic within DD's history. That story was excellent, but it had hints of some of Miller's worse writing traits that had yet to fully manifest themselves. Elektra was boiled down to a simple crazy hot chick with ninja skills, much less interesting than his earlier work on the character, who he created by the way. Also consider the Kingpin's involvement in child pornography and child sex trafficking in the story. Also see the fact that DD either kills or is responsible for the death of several thugs in the story as well. Now most of these elements fit the story quite well and can be reasonably explained as to their inclusion in the story.

Frankly within the context of the story I'm not overly bothered by any of these elements, but they all point to tendencies in Miller's writing which only got worse as the years went on. Things eventually devolved to the point where we are treated to a scene of Batman having sex with Black Canary in the rain while a group of thugs lie burning nearby in the pages of All Star Batman and Robin. Now just imagine how out of character and terrible a new DD story by Miller would be given the escalation of his writing. Granted, it would still be better than Daredevil Father Wink

For all our sakes, lets just remember the good Miller has done for DD, and hope he never ventures into Hell's Kitchen again.

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Then again, it would be fascinating to see just how terrible it is, it may even top the so bad its good(or at least entertaining) territory of All Star Batman and Robin.

Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

If I wanted anything from Miller, I wouldn't mind a short issue stuck in an anniversary. Ann Noccenti wrote a little story for Issue 500 that followed Brubaker's final issue. Something like that might not be a bad idea. If it sucks, it sucks. But, for something small for a big moment, he might put extra work into making it good.
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Nightwing2001 · Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:55 pm Post subject:

If anyone has seen recent pictures of Frank with the cancer he is obviously fighting with you'd probably agree that it's going to be a big miracle if he is actually going to survive much longer. I really hope he can pull through, but from his looks these days I can't see it happening.

If he does though (and I hope for it) I would hope he stays away from doing any more work on the character. I think a lot of writers in comics seem to have their hayday of writing and then eventually the quality of their work goes downhill. Frank definitely fits in with this. Denny O Neil and Ann Nocenti are other former DD writers who at one time wrote some great stuff on the title (and other characters) but who now seem to write pretty sub par as well.

As for All Star Batman and Robin, personally I could never get through it. I tried a couple of times but it was just too awful for me. If he was purposely trying to make it that way or he really thought he was doing a serious story of quality I don't know. If he was really just doing it purposely bad I could respect it for that I guess, but I have a feeling he really thought he was doing great work with it.

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