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JoeWithoutFear · Flying Blind Joined: 16 Oct 2013 Posts: 54

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The weird thing is, it's not that I feel like I grew tired of Wade's approach. It's that I feel like Waid actually changed his approach since volume 4.

Like, volume 3 had Kirsten flashing her bra to make a joke about DD's identity.

I don't think you would ever see that in volume 4. In volume 4, the DD/Kirsten dynamic is much more ...like this ...

Hey, a variant cover that makes the protagonist look uncharacteristically like a baby. I wonder if there will be a huge uproar to #cancelthecover?? ....nope.

DesignDevil · Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:07 pm Post subject:

Sadly I doubt we are getting any kind of reboot. It would be nice to roll things back to the post-Born Again timeframe, but I don't see that happening anymore. I can only hope Waids' run is quickly ignored like most of the 90s.

Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

WilsonFisk · Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:18 pm Post subject:

I agree with Matt Murdock that it should be an absolute, resounding HELL NO to any prospect of a reboot.

And that's not just because the hate towards the Waid/Samnee run is incredibly overblown on this site, which seems to stand like the square-shaped Bizarro planet in relation to the general online reaction to the series. It's because arguably Daredevil's greatest strength, the thing that makes Matt Murdock possibly the best-developed character in the Marvel Universe, is that rich sense of history, that over the past 50 years he has evolved and changed with experience, he's lived a life where everything has informed who he is in one form or another.

It would be utter lunacy for Marvel to throw all that away for the sake of, "I don't like what the writer has done on this run boo-hoo, waa-waa," or in the case of some, "I've mostly liked what the writer has done on this run but this one storyline has displeased me boo-hoo, waa-waa." Even if the Waid run for Volumes 3 and 4 was the character-destroying disaster a vocal minority of hardcore Daredevil fans make it out to be - which it categorically isn't - the "scorched earth" approach of rebooting would not be the solution. It's the lazy alternate to finding creative solutions with clever writing. and would do far, far more damage than any poor plotline would.

Daredevil24 · Humanity's Fathom Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Posts: 367

I've seen more than a few amount of people bash the series on this site so I wouldn't call it a vocal minority.I personally think it maybe 50/40 in favor of Waid but the margin isn't that great verses the praisers and bashers.Daredevil fans are really loyal.The popularity of this series is also overblown imo.If Marvel can find away to give him back his secret identity and make the world not know his strengths and weaknesses,great but it doesn't seem possible without some kind of reboot.I'd hate to through away a lot of history of Daredevil because one writer that it was hip to merge Matt Murdock and Daredevil and turn him into a parody of himself.Just saying.

DesignDevil · Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:17 pm Post subject:

I've been saying for years that Marvel should "reboot/restart". Long before Waid went off the rails last year.

Reboots don't take away the older stories.
James Bond, Star Trek, Star Wars, and DC Comics have all thrived while restarting their worlds and characters for the modern age.

WilsonFisk · Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:34 pm Post subject:

In DC's case, some reboots have worked considerably better than others. Overall, I think Marvel's approach of rolling soft reboots to keep their stories up-to-date or to tidy away misfires, rather than a line-wide hit of the reset button, as worked largely to their favor.

admiralpetty · Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:39 pm Post subject:

train · Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:43 am Post subject:

Wilson Fisk, you can bury your head in the sand if you want, but an entire 616 reboot is going to happen this summer. Secret Wars will see to that. How much it changes Daredevil will be seen, but to think nothing is going to happen is folly.

WilsonFisk · Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:55 am Post subject:

JoeWithoutFear · Flying Blind Joined: 16 Oct 2013 Posts: 54

From what I gather, it doesn't sound (to me) like Marvel is going to do a complete, hard reboot. Sounds like they are just smashing all their universes together.

Depending on how exactly that's done, I may prefer a hard reboot. =)

But, what I would REALLY prefer, is that they try to win us over with quality writing instead of "ZOMG!! EVENTS!!"

train · Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:30 pm Post subject:

I really don't read any other Marvel titles other than Daredevil and Captain America. How many universes are there? I was only aware of 616 and the Ulitmate universes. If you look at all of the titles that are being cancelled (14 in all I think) it looks to me that we will see Steve Rogers become CA again and there will only be 1 Spiderman. My money is still on the 'return to a titles high water mark'. I'm also betting that Wolverine will come back as well. I suppose we will all find out in a few months

Naked Bat · Flying Blind Joined: 11 Feb 2015 Posts: 16

even 2099 was supposedly not a future of the 616 universe, until Miguel came back during Slott's superior spider-man run actually.

I think they will retcon some stuff, for instance, Matt may get his secret identity back, but I doubt it will be a hard reboot. I certainly don't think it's needed.

Acerbus · Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:40 am Post subject:

Daredevil24 · Humanity's Fathom Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Posts: 367

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