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Nightwing2001 · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:35 pm Post subject:

I finally got to read this issue today....

Shocked

I don't even know what to say about it really... This is just beyond anything I ever thought someone would portray the character of Matt Murdock like. He's gone through some bad phases and changes over the years but this just takes the cake for out of character. I went into this issue hoping that the reason for this was because some posters in this thread said he was having a mental breakdown and that was his reason for being like this, but for the life of me I just am not seeing it in this issue at all. This is just bad out of character writing from Mark Waid and nothing more in my eyes. I just can't believe a writer could start out so well in a title and then get to this point, it is mind boggling. I really pray that issue 16 is the end of his run and we get some kind of a reboot for Matt after because I don't know how you could ever recover from this without it.

I'm sorry but I'm just baffled that anyone could still be sticking up for Mark Waid and his version of DD after this issue....

Acerbus · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:03 pm Post subject:

james castle · Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:17 pm Post subject:

JoeWithoutFear · Flying Blind Joined: 16 Oct 2013 Posts: 54

Whenever people start stubbornly splitting hairs about definitions of words and phrases, all hope for a discussion has been lost. This is why online text-based conversations are sometimes doomed from the start. =) But for what it's worth, Acerbus, even if I don't necessarily agree with you, I can follow your logic pretty easily. *shrug*

Anyway, just to restate my take as I think it is somewhat unique, I LOVED Waid's run on Volume 3 and the start of Volume 4. It's only this last handful of issues where Kirsten's character has been amped into eye-roll-inducing and Matt's character has been twisted to cringe-worthy. Just my take.

Because of this, I can't wait to see what the next writer does and I hope they are able to cleverly smooth over what Waid has done in these last few months.

Daredevil24 · Humanity's Fathom Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Posts: 367

I hope we get a new writer soon.

Darkdevil · Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:50 pm Post subject:

Ok, after reading this issue, the most I can say it is that I applaud Waid's continuation of exploring the consequences of Matt exposing his identity. You may not agree with or like it, but I think, having gone down this path, Waid has been faithful in trying to discern its' pitfalls.

The red suit is campy, seeing him swing around in action wearing it is strange (what, did he get it custom-made for him by Melvin??), his buzz-cut hair doesn't suit him though I do wish the shot of him foregoing his glasses was larger, I think that is more symbolic of his decision than his red pimp suit.

But the question raised by Kirsten's father is valid, if your identity is public, then why continue to wear a mask? It's an interesting conundrum but I don't quite agree with Matt's answer.

This change can't be permanent, I've always said, a character's default status quo will eventually be restored at some point, but upon seeing his new direction, I'm concerned over how that will occur now. With Matt and DD being nigh inseparable in the public's eye now, I fear nothing short of a Brand New Day or Dr. Strange magic spell can undo all of this. Unless of course, Secret Wars changes it somehow.

And someone mentioned it earlier, how these latest issues just seem to STOP is becoming annoying. However, such nitpicks and red suits haven't dissuaded me from still enjoying Waid's overall run on DD.

JoeWithoutFear · Flying Blind Joined: 16 Oct 2013 Posts: 54

Daredevil24 · Humanity's Fathom Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Posts: 367

Waid and Samnee are done with issue 18.YESSS!!!This is greatest month ever for Daredevil!Well at least for me anyways.

Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

Regardless of what thinks of them, I hope everyone wants them to end on a strong note (even if it won't be their cup of tea).
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humanaccident · Flying Blind Joined: 10 Jul 2014 Posts: 26

As I have said before, we all seem to want something dark at the moment, well this last issue for me has been the darkest, DD has been going slowly insane and this is the latest and biggest example of this. He has totally flipped, we will now see him start to lose people, friends and allies and end up intotal collapse, then we will go to secret wars and then a rebirth of the marvel u, like dc52, where DD will be back in Hells Kitchen gritty and grim as we all hope, echoing the tv show.

God I hope.

McFly · Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:27 am Post subject:

I'm pretty sure that because of the fact that this Secret Wars thing is right around the corner, which could possibly reboot the whole marvel universe, Waid is pretty much allowed to go crazy with whatever ideas he had. especially the ones that might have been a bit "too far" for a conventional DD story. like writing his memoirs about being a superhero. or going out to fight crime in a red tuxedo. all this might not "matter" so much in 2 months time, anyway.

I'd bet, that after the Secret Wars event the whole problem with Matts identity and all the baggage with his depression might be solved by the "reboot", too.
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Dimetre · Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:35 pm Post subject:

JoeWithoutFear · Flying Blind Joined: 16 Oct 2013 Posts: 54

DD'sbootyshorts · Flying Blind Joined: 19 Mar 2015 Posts: 6

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What I would LOVE a creative team to do is have him actually work through his grief over Karen Page sufficiently, and his feelings of inadequacy over not being able to save her and Elektra.

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100% agree. Really felt like shadow land was a crap awful "ending" to the whole breakdown he was going through and when Waids run started they just seemed to ignore it completely.

Daredevil24 · Humanity's Fathom Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Posts: 367

After Secret Wars Karen Page might be alive and well.Also,I be alive Karen was killed off in 98,it's time to move past that now.

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