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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject: DD Book Club: Genetrix/False Man Reply with quote

Inhumans is about to come out and, regardless of whether anyone likes the show or not, I'm not missing up an opportunity to tie in to something. Originally, I was just going to do the final two issues with Ultron in them (275-276), but I figured I would never cover 271-272 unless I did it now. #271 is on Marvel Unlimited. #272 is not, but is available in the Lone Stranger TPB. Alternatively, on October 10, Daredevil Epic Collection Heart of Darkness will come out, which will also have that story. But I'm getting ahead of myself.

Daredevil Vol. 1 #271 - Genetrix



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Daredevil takes a stand against inhumane treatment of animals, when he helps a young ecologist take down her father's slaughter farm. But darker secrets lurk inside the barn, secrets that, if unleashed, would raise moral questions too grisly to answer!


This story arc is interesting because many people wrote in to Ann Nocenti to say how it made them want to become vegetarians - something Nocenti herself is not.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember in High School, I read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. My mom told me how she couldn't eat meat for a month after reading the early chapters talking about food production, my dad said it just made him hungry. This opening sort of feels the same way. Many people have said this story made them a vegetarian, which isn't true for the author. But it's still shocking and done in a way that's even creepier because of how they're talking about it. The whole point is engineering animals as a commodity for consumption. The point about the pigs not needing legs because they never walk is probably the more shocking moment. The idea of genetic modification as an answer raises these questions when they discuss that they could make a pig with no nervous system, which has no rights at all. This engineering a commodity thing is the theme of the story as it's clear that animal experimentation isn't the end of it. As bad as it is to create Number 9, it almost feels more like a sliding scale than a clear break from what came before.

After that, we're introduced to our hero and heroine. Brandy Ash is immediately an ambiguous character. She's got great fire and it's immediately obvious she's more sympathetic than her father, but she's also complicit in this cycle by accepting his money. Her use of violence (a firearm and hand grenades) also create some ambiguity. She's also very wonderfully 80s in her John Romita Jr. design.

The story explores gender roles, particularly with Skip Ash and his need to dominate. He's convinced that as the creator, the women engineered to be perfect wives would always be submissive to him. Likewise, he's created a dependency in his daughter who comes crawling back "like some shameful, hungry dog" for more money. Even though she's convinced she's subverting this by being an activist, she's also failing as well by gratifying her father. That's where the animal rights part comes in: "If we allow men to believe they can dominate animals to the point of such gross cruelty, it's an easy next step for man to feel that way about his fellow man."

This is a difficult comic to pull off. As interesting as the themes are, it's a superhero story. I think they do a good job at least building some suspense with the super-powered experiment being described and then escaping at the end. At a minimum, some teenage boys might be intrigued by a naked blonde woman with sexy hair covering her face seductively saying "Daddy." There are also moments between the dialogue/diatribe that have some life and flow quite well. The page with Daredevil riding Brandy's car just feels wonderful all around. Likewise, even during the speeches, the pictures of all the people on the right-hand side eating meat is a cool looking splash.

I know this story might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I enjoyed it a lot. Four and a Half Stars.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think I ever read this before.

Ann Nocenti isn't one of my favourite Daredevil writers. My main reason is her tendency to lecture, and that is full front in an expository speech Brandy levels on our hero. Brandy even goes as far as to admit it's a lecture.

Other than that, I enjoy Ann Nocenti's willingness to bring politics into the pages of Daredevil. Some might not enjoy it as much as me, but to each their own.

In this issue, Nocenti takes on Big Agriculture and genetically-modified food. What must have kids in the late eighties have been thinking when their comic book opened up with a tour of an inhumane farm? I think it's admirable that Nocenti dared to bring such adult topics to a young audience. Challenge them while their young.

This farm owner is such a colossal jerk! I like how Romita Jr. drew him wearing such a tacky shirt and a cartoonish mustache. Everything about this character is detestable. I'm not sure if Number Nine is designed to replace someone he lost, which may show a thread of humanity, or if he is just a dirty old man. It doesn't matter. I may have been searching for a single thing that would have made the character somewhat empathetic, and I don't think I found one. Brandy doesn't even seem to have a single thing she loves about her father. He is just wrong, through and through.

I thought John Romita Jr. had some gorgeous panels in this issue. Daredevil looks so dynamic in this issue. Other panels with Brandy are less detailed and may have been rushed, but I think this is overall great art.

This is also a great concept for a story. If we're willing to genetically modify farm products, what's to stop an immoral Big Agriculture mogul from taking genetic modification to the next level?

I would have liked to see why the scientists continue to work for the jerk. Does he have something to lord over them? Is he promising something? They clearly have ethical issues with what they're doing. I think it would have been good for Nocenti to show what they're going to get for their work, other than a lot of money, which isn't that interesting from a story perspective.

I do think Nocenti could have scaled back the space dedicated to unethical farming. I found a lot of it interesting, but at times I forgot about Number Nine, which may have made the ending more powerful, I have to admit.

But this is a strong issue. I give it a three and a half out of five.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh, I didn't realize you hadn't read this. That'll make for a nice change of pace.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inhumans just debuted on ABC on Friday. Feel free to check that out or, even better, read this issue!

Daredevil Vol. 1 #272 - Liberation



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Number Nine has escaped! The favorite creation of a mad geneticist is on the loose, and she's run straight into the path of Daredevil! Will 'Miss. Nine' be rehabilitated? Or will her natural instincts overwhelm? Special appearance by the Inhuman Royal Family!


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The opening narration of this issue explores Number Nine and the themes Nocenti is playing with. In many ways, it's a return for Nocenti, because Typohoid Mary explored society's expectations about women as well (it doesn't help that Romita Jr. seems only able to draw one type of female face here). But this is definitely a different character - someone who gave up everything for conformity to an idealized pefection. In story, though, it's something a bit more traditional. A young woman (albeit a naked woman) with special powers and no memory running while being chased by the police.

Her personality is interesting. "Number Nine is superior, I am destined to cook." She could theoretically be anything with her near invincibility, but her programing leads her to be in a subserviant role. She's frankly creepy chopping with a knife to give them all food. This is basically the "Lone Stranger" arc we did earlier and Daredevil continues his urge to move on, but it's obvious something is different. He's more engaged with the world. Although he's paying lip service to wanting to leave, he's at least communicating. The cover promises the Deadly Menace of Shotgun! To their credit, the cat and mouse scene where he's shooting at DD is quite good. I think he's more of a walking political commentary than a threat, but it's still possible for him to pack a punch. He did go down a bit like a chump, though.

The side plot is of the Inhumans. A bit of background here for those who don't know. In the Graphic Novel (collected in "By Right of Birth"), the Genetic Council of Attilan refused to let Medusa become pregnant because they were concerned the genetic offspring of Black Bolt would be too dangerous (since Black Bolt is destructive just from talking and his brother Maximus is both insane and has mind control powers). Medusa basically decided she should have a right to control her own body and give birth if she wants to. In that story, she became pregnant and hid out on Earth in secret. In this story, it appears her child has been taken from her. I'm curious to see if there's a thematic overlap or if Nocenti is really just using an excuse to continue the story she started. There's definitely an exploration of society's rules and whether they should be followed, but that's the closest I'm seeing so far.

Overall, it ends on a nice action note. The big takeaway is the change in Daredevil. By the end, he's focused and motivated and is going to stay and fight. Other than that, there are some interesting moments along the way. Four Stars.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Murdock wrote:
Ooh, I didn't realize you hadn't read this. That'll make for a nice change of pace.

I read that issue on Unlimited, because I misplaced my copy of Lone Stranger. I have since found it, and it seems obvious to me that I must have read these issues before. It's odd that these stories collected in Lone Stranger just don't stick in my memory.

Anyway, on to "Liberation".

This issue is a mixed bag. As divided as people's reactions to feminism are, I was fine with what was in this issue. The feminist elements are undeniable, and I don't always find feminism in Nocenti's Daredevil work. A friend of mine has said that only a woman could have created Typhoid Mary. I'm not a hundred percent sure I agree with him, but I think only a woman could have written this issue. The commentary on media depictions of female beauty are written with a sense of exhaustion. Nocenti describes Number Nine as "the perfect decoration." I don't think a man could have written something so biting, or would have chosen to.

Daredevil acts weird this issue, but I guess that's too be expected following his near death and his encounter with Mephisto. He still hasn't put himself completely together from that yet. But, from where I'm sitting, there is obviously something sinister behind Number Nine's sudden appearance, but he merely finds her amusing. That seems off. Brandy has to plead with him to stay and help, but he leaves to check out Skip's farm, and runs into Shotgun.

In what way are Shotgun and Ammo different? I'm seriously asking. Shotgun has to be one of the most generic Daredevil villains ever. There is nothing distinctive about him.

Another problem is that Shotgun's rounds are described as being enormously destructive, to the point that Skip says it's "overkill." Yet Romita Jr. draws this exploding rounds too small. They don't seem to cause Daredevil any difficulty. Daredevil describes them as "small bombs", yet they're not drawn that way. I would expect Romita Jr. to draw any bullet blasts that way.

Daredevil manages to stop Shotgun, and seems to have him at his mercy, but, without any explanation, lets him go. I had to check to see if I missed a page, but I didn't. At the bottom of the page Daredevil demands that Shotgun talk. I turn the page and Shotgun is walking away saying, "This ain't over." Why on earth would Daredevil let Shotgun walk away without dropping any intel? That is weak.

As for the Inhumans, I don't know much about them. They didn't seem to fit into this issue in any way, nor did I feel they added anything of value. I'm assuming they will play a larger role in the next issue, but I'm assuming they are going to hang around in this series for a while, or at least until Daredevil tears Ultron's head off. (I remember that.)

This issue had large problems, but there's also compelling stuff here. I give this issue a 2.5 out of five.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Murdock wrote:
She's frankly creepy chopping with a knife to give them all food.

That was creepy, which makes it strange that it didn't cause Daredevil any concern. I mean, she heales from her bullet wounds instantly, but he doesn't show even any curiosity in regards to from where she came. I know he's been through the wringer by this point in the series, but I would have liked to see some acknowledgement from him that something wasn't right.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is, we can't even argue that Daredevil was acting out of ignorance since he talks about how she's programmed later (right before Shotgun attacks him). I think, at best, he kind of just decides that's not his problem anymore. I dunno.

Difference between Shotgun and Ammo? Ammo is a gang leader, Shotgun is a mercenary. Ammo is also skinnier. That's about it, although Shotgun is someone who symbolizes government excess in having the most toys (i.e., military hardware) whether it's needed or not.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we doing the next issue?
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