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Forrest
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:20 pm    Post subject: **Big Spoilers** ...The new Marvel U Clone Saga... Reply with quote

After seeing this image online, I am so very comfortable with my decision to drop New Avengers long ago:



So, the Clone Saga in Spider-man was such a big hit that they decided to carry that idea through the entire Marvel universe? Razz

I am a little worried on how this might affect Daredevil. Part of why I love the DD ongoing so much is because it is very immune to the hiccups other major comics have had over the years. E.g. DD is extremely low on resurrections, time travel, secret wars, heroes reborn, skrulls, etc. I hope that this trend in DD continues. I.e. I hope that years from now I don't have to read some big sci fi skrull story to understand what is happening with a blind lawyer superhero in Hell's Kitchen. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG! For the love of all that's good, please free Paris Hil . . . oh, wait, that's not . . . that's Elektra, or, Skrulelktra if you will.

Oh, Marvel. What has become of you.

Anyway, I do believe that I'm going to take Forrest's advice. I've added a bunch of Bat titles this year and dropped all Spidey. I'm about to read some Vertigo stuff. I could very well see myself dropping everything Marvel (except DD, of course).

Do you all recall Bendis saying how he'd never do anything so cliche as to have a Skrull get Matt out of the mess he was in with the outing? C'mon, Brain, cliche is a poor writer's crutch. Sorry about your leg, Brian.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rgj wrote:

Do you all recall Bendis saying how he'd never do anything so cliche as to have a Skrull get Matt out of the mess he was in with the outing? C'mon, Brain, cliche is a poor writer's crutch. Sorry about your leg, Brian.


Last night, I was flipping through the Underboss in hardcover and I missed getting that kind of story from Bendis. He is not the writer he once was. I LOVE Bendis's Powers volume 1, Jinx, Alias, earlier DD, earlier USM, etc. and I still think Bendis has the ability to write such incredible stories. Instead, he chooses to construct these big events that he is just so bad at writing, like House of M, New Avengers, etc. Even Powers got all weird.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I was gonna start buying the New New Avengers too...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice chest job for a shape-shifter, I must say.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy crap. Just. You know. I mean. What the hell? What. The. Hell. Okay, one rant and then that's it okay? It's getting ridiculous. I'm actually starting to feel bad because I feel like one of those nerds who demands too much out of comics. Like I feel like I'm trying to apply reason and good story telling to comics that are designed to be pop-filler crap. I feel like if me and Bendis were friends he would take me aside and say "look, I know it's crap. It's supposed to be crap". Marvel is the Britney Spears of the comic industry. All that said, I'll let myself rant a little.

1. Elektra is alive. Okay? Even the crazies (I'm looking at you rgj) have to admit that at the very least Elektra is alive on the mountain where Miller left her. If you don't want to accept post-Saga Elektra, fine but at the end of the saga she's on the mountain. So what the hell has she been doing while this Skrull has been running around? Just sitting there? You can't say she wouldn't know because as we've seen the Elektra thing has been running around with the Chaste. So the Chaste would know. Surely at some pointed they'd be like "hey aren't you on the mountain?". Unless the Skrull showed up right when Elektra "died" and Stone took the body or soemthing or what?

2. There's a scene in Mission Impossible that always pissed me off. See, at one point in the movie character X is revealed to be a villian. This is surprising because earlier in the movie character X appears to die (when he is "killed" by people who end up to be working with him). The problem with the whole thing is that there's a scene right before the "killing" where character X is alone in a room looking scared. The problem is that, if the character were evil that scene would never take place. He's about to fake his own death and he's alone. Why would he be acting in a room all by himself? It's silly.

This problem hits the whole Skrull thing in spades. As rgj pointed out, what would possess the Skrull to take up crappy dancing or show up and silently start at Matt for a while? But it's worse than that. I assume that her solo books are riddled with scenes where she's all by herself thinking. If she was a Skrull none of these scene would ever have taken place. Any scene in which Elektra was "thinking" in an Elektra type way no makes no sense. She wouldn't be thinking about Matt, she'd be like "I'm a Skrully, Skrull Skrull".

3. Why would a Skrull even bother going into deep cover? I mean really?

Whatever, so Bendis has jumped the shark like crazy now. It's over, over, over. The interview over at IGN is just pathetic. He mentions how now people know who the "shadowy figures" in issue 1 of NA are. Comon. Bendis didn't even know who Ronin was when he started NA. He obviously threw in some "shadowy figures" so he could tie them in later. Now he's trying to pretend that this nonsense is part of a big plan.

Pathetic.

Just as an example of how ridiculous he's gotten, he says this in the interview:

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So when Civil War was in its earliest stages of planning, the crime writer in me starts thinking about organized crime. After every great war, there's always a surge in crime. There's always someone taking advantage of the situation of a society struggling to find itself. After the Gulf War, for example, the Jersey Mob went through the roof.


What? The Golf War? The one that last less than a month and a half (16 January 1991–28 February 1991 according to Wiki)? That Golf War? How does that qualify as a great war? How could it have possibly effected the new jersey mob? Whatever, Bendis is a crap hype machine.

Why does the dead Skrull still have Elektra's boobs?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In some interviews, it's hinted that Elektra could have been replaced by a skrull in the Wolverine arc "Enemy of the state".
Thus, the previous series would be still ok, starring the real Elektra.
Anyway, the skrull-thing is just a convenient plot device and Marvel is trying to sell it as something really special or new.
It seems they spend more time for the hyping than for the writing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree entirely with Mr Castle. I can't think of any time 'Elektra' could've been skrulled that wouldn't collapse under scrutiny other than immediately prior to her appearance in New Avengers. And considering this is a character who has made only a handful of appearances over the last few years, how much more flimsy would the cases be for replacing more prominent figures in the Marvel Universe?

A sneaky Skrull infiltration in the wake of their worlds being recently destroyed and confined to Avengers titles - sure; mass revisionism - no, no, no, you silly men.

Hype's done it again though, one image, a few very similar interviews and rampant Skrull speculation abounds.

Anyone recommend some good indies?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hekate32 wrote:

Anyone recommend some good indies?

Love and Rockets, Bone, Concrete...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gloria wrote:
hekate32 wrote:

Anyone recommend some good indies?

Love and Rockets, Bone, Concrete...


Bone! I love Bone. I bought the One Volume Edition on a whim about 6 months ago and just love it. It's genuinely funny and epic and touching and great. It stars a bone! Given that it's so self contained (you buy it once and then just have the entire epic on your shelf to show your kids one day (and I can't think of a comic more suited to kids)) I can't recommend it enough.

Haven't gotten into Concrete yet. I casually look for it from time to time but no comic store ever seems to have Volume 1 handy.

Other than that, walk into a comic store and buy the first thing you see with a Vertigo logo on it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait a minute.
I didn't read the issue, but as much as the "Elektra is a Skrull" idea sucks, it's a bit premature to say that the Elektra was a Skrull all the time.

I mean, maybe the impersonation happened only very recently.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kind of weird how much the skrull looks like the Green Goblin. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Francesco wrote:
Wait a minute.
I didn't read the issue, but as much as the "Elektra is a Skrull" idea sucks, it's a bit premature to say that the Elektra was a Skrull all the time.

I mean, maybe the impersonation happened only very recently.


The speculation sort of comes out of the Frank Miller rumour discussed in another thread. It's rumoured that Miller is on the verge of making nice with Marvel due to an "upcoming story" or something. Since Elektra is the centre of the Miller/Marvel thing people sort of think this fits the bill.

Aside from that, the whole thing is a double edged sword. The longer Elektra was really a Skrull the more ridiculous and basically nonsensical it is. On the other hand, the shorter she was a Skrull the lamer the reveal is.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james castle wrote:
I'm actually starting to feel bad because I feel like one of those nerds who demands too much out of comics.


That's a pitfall I've fallen into a number of times. I think people feel this way the most often when they follow characters or companies, rather than creators. I read everything I can by Geoff Johns, Rucka, Brubaker, etc. Likewise, I'd extend this philosophy to editors. I love the modern DC universe in no small part because I think Dan Didio is handling it very very well. If DC and Marvel switched EIC, I seriously suspect I'd get more into Marvel. If Geoff Johns wrote Iron Man, I'd read it.

Sure, characters play a part but I find that when I focus on the creators, I generally get what I want out of comics.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james castle wrote:

Bone! I love Bone.
(and I can't think of a comic more suited to kids)) I can't recommend it enough.

Well the adventures of Tintin never fail to catch the kids imagination, too. "Leave it to Chance" was nice for kids, too (and for immature adults like me Laughing )

james castle wrote:

Haven't gotten into Concrete yet.

Try it sometime, honest, the story in "strange armour" might be a good point to start as it is a reworking of his "origins" story. One could say it is the story of a man's relationship with his body, Nature, and his buddies.

james castle wrote:

Other than that, walk into a comic store and buy the first thing you see with a Vertigo logo on it.

I have enjoyed many Vertigo titles, however, some of them I find as if a story was being screamed at me (which I don't like if the story doesn't catch me)... or maybe I got too old for Vertigo?

Dimetre wrote:
Kind of weird how much the skrull looks like the Green Goblin. Wink

Norman Osborn. A good example that a character that should have been left in the grave. But this being in Spidey continuity, he won't be revealed as a Skrull: in Spider-man you have to be a clone Razz

Forrest wrote:
Sure, characters play a part but I find that when I focus on the creators, I generally get what I want out of comics.

That's a good rule. I've been following it for years and works fine for my small budget... And yes, it guarantees more satisfaction (though not always: Miller is a case in point) than sticking to a character.

(The exception in my case is Daredevil, where I was bitten by the completist bug... I even keep my "grey armoured DD suit" issues!)
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