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james castle
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject:

Forrest wrote:

james castle wrote:

Does she become a nun while she has a new born? If so why does she have to give up Matt?

It certainly looks like she wants to give up Matt. In fact, she seemed to have been waiting anxiously for the moment she could get rid of Matt and become a nun (because it's not like she can have an abortion, right?). Also, I have seen no indication that any of her fellow nuns are aware of her child.

But if she's in a habit when she gives up Matt it's not that she is waiting for the moment to "get rid of Matt and become a nun". She already is a nun. How did that happen?
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Francesco
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject:

Gloria wrote:

Battling Maggie Murdock Issue #2: the crossover you all were waiting for! Sister Maggie meets Warrior Nun Areala!

Wow, that's kickass.
Never seen that. Wonder who would win if she wert against Battle Pope.

Forrest
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject:

james castle wrote:

But if she's in a habit when she gives up Matt it's not that she is waiting for the moment to "get rid of Matt and become a nun". She already is a nun. How did that happen?

Of course, I could provide a hypothetical explanation: Until she left Matt with Jack, she was on her own as a factory worker who was able to leave Matt with a friend/coworker, while she worked. Often, she would go to the order and tell her psuedo-babysitter that she was working and needed a sitter. When it was finally time to move into the order, she told her psuedo-babysitter she was moving far away, dropped Matt off with Jack and moved into the order.

This is a completely realistic and plausible scenario, which is entirely possible with the story we have seen so far. I honestly don't see why something like that would be so hard to believe.
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james castle
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject:

Forrest wrote:

james castle wrote:

But if she's in a habit when she gives up Matt it's not that she is waiting for the moment to "get rid of Matt and become a nun". She already is a nun. How did that happen?

Did you just delete your link to the picture of Maggie in a habit (that you posted on the grounds that it might not be a habit) on the grounds that it was clearly a habit?

All those straws. So much grasping.
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pbblair
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:23 am Post subject:

And to quickly address Forrest, I think my definition of retcon is a bit off-base (sorry about that) in that nothing is being rewritten here, just added to. I just wish the details being added were more interesting. If there's any one (small) think I like, it's that Stick is stalking Matt's dad at the bar (either that, or he spends more time playing pool than hanging out with his Chaste buddies).

Forrest
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject:

james castle wrote:

Sure because I didn't recall the habit, just the cross. After posting it, I noticed the habit and decided to instead post a hypothetical answer to your question. This doesn't discredit my stance that Battlin' Jack #1 & #2 follows perfectly logical and realistic superhero storytelling. I have given a number of different very realistic possibilities on how the story could have reached this point.

I don't mind if I can't convince you to read this mini at some point because you have made your opinions clear. All the regulars on this board have their own opinions about all sorts of controversial topics like Bendis's DD, post-Miller Elektra, Fall from Grace, etc. So, I agree to disagree. However, I would hate it if less hardcore DD fans never picked up this mini based on negative opinions from someone who has never read Battlin' Jack. Especially considering you are quite good at writing very emotionally toned opinions that make those opinions sound like fact. (Law school, eh? Razz

)

In this thread, I want to make my voice in support of this mini as loud as your distaste for it, so that others can see this argument as a thorough difference of opinion. (E.g. rather than a one-sided consensus among DD fans, like "Sir is the worst DD villain ever." Razz

) That is the main reason I wanted to stand up for this mini. Also, I think it is one of the best DD stories in recent years and I enjoy the heck out of it!
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Gloria
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject:

Forrest wrote:

That sounds interesting... Why not: the story should not be about verosimilitude... Why should a nun leave her son to his ex-boyfriend? it may not sound logical, but just see "imitation of life" or "Gone with the Wind" or any of the tear-jerker nun films I mentioned and the plots are wild: people in melodrama don't behave to act logically, people in melodrama behaves in a way which can make you cry... If you see "Kill Bill" (a shotgun melodrama) and try to analize the behaviour of its characters, you'll conclude they're all basket cases... But then this makes a reasonably entertaining movie.

And of course, one could imagine reasons why Maggie would leave Matt in Jack's hands:

A) scenario 1: Someone is after Maggie (because of her "past sins": a Maffia don who hooked with her, perhaps?), and, if she is found by that people, Little Matt might be killed or worse.

B) Scenario 2: Maggie knows well that if Matt grows up in a Catholic orphanage as her "nephew", she'll grow to be just an a Altar Boy or a priest Confessor, instead, she leaves him with Jack, for she knows that under his tutelage the boy will row up to be a real fighter: and Lo! she was right, her son is a famous and sucessful lawyer, and "Daredevil" gets more following than "Astro City"
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james castle
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject:

C) Scenario 3: Skrulls. _________________ JC So why can't you see the funny side? Why aren't you laughing?

Gloria
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject:

james castle wrote:

C) Scenario 3: Skrulls.

Oh, but that's the lazy writer option Wink

(another lazy writer option is: Clones!)

And I don't see Claudette Colbert or Sarita Montiel playing a part in it: the world needs more Kleenex
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Forrest
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject:

Gloria wrote:

people in melodrama don't behave to act logically, people in melodrama behaves in a way which can make you cry...

Right, if I wanted to see how the average person acts, I'd sit around at home watching webcams or Oprah and reading blogs about what it's like to work at McDonalds. I don't want to see what the average person does on an average day, I want to be entertained by nutty people in nutty circumstances. Razz

Gloria wrote:

A) scenario 1: Someone is after Maggie (because of her "past sins": a Maffia don who hooked with her, erhaps?), and, if she is found by that people, Little Matt might be killed or worse.

B) Scenario 2: Maggie knows well that if Matt grows up in a Catholic orphanage as her "nephew", she'll grow to be just an a Altar Boy a priest Confessor, instead, she leaves him with Jack, for she knows that under his tutelage the boy will row up to be a real fighter: and Lo! she was right, her son is a famous and sucessful lawyer, and "Daredevil" gets more following than "Astro City"

Those are both interesting possibilities, especially the first. If she hooked up with Jack for at least a night, it's not unreasonable to suspect that she might have been involved with other mobsters. I've watched enough Sopranos to suspect that the mob is not always kind to unmarried women, especially if they carry baggage like a mob thug's child. Razz

P.S. Astro City is one of my favorites!
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Gloria
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject:

Forrest wrote:

P.S. Astro City is one of my favorites!

Don't tell anyone: but I love that series, too. It's a pity it is not as well known as those Ultimate Universe comics, as its referential homage to the super-hero genre is more endearing and entertaining than the Ultimate reciclage.

If only for creating characters like Altar Boy and The Confessor, or Steel (with the grand Bob Mitchum's unmistakable features)
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Francesco
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject:

Forget about that! What we need now is a crossover! Daredevil meets Battle Nun Areola!

Gloria
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject:

Francesco wrote:

Forget about that! What we need now is a crossover! Daredevil meets Battle Nun Areola!

O Yeah!

Pity about recent Marvel events: Areala and Elektra could have such an spectacular showdown Rolling Eyes

Of course, Areala being a nun, there is little chance of her becoming Matt's new girl, unless... Matt being the chip of the old log...
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Francesco
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject:

Gloria wrote:

Of course, Areala being a nun, there is little chance of her becoming Matt's new girl, unless... Matt being the chip of old Jack's log...

Is she a woman? Check. Is she breathing? Check. That's enough for the old womanizer without fear.
Get me Joe Quesada, people.

Gloria
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject:

Francesco wrote:

Is she breathing? Check.

Being alive is not necessarily required to qualify... Matt seemed to love more the dead Elektra than the living Heather (whom he loved more than Glorianna when Miss Glenn put an end to her life), and now he seems to love the lost Karen over the present Milla (even if he oft neglected Karen when she was alive)

And of course, Areala belongs to a holy order, but, hey, so did Moondragon (being blind, Matt doesn't mind dating a bald chick, as long as she looks like a super-model)
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