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Francesco
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 Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: Does the cover of #100 have any real significance? |
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Good day boys and girls. I was meditating on the potential meaning of the wraparound cover of DD #100. Good work by monsieur Djurdevic, no doubt.
But I'm beginning to think that probably, said cover won't be related in any way to the content of its book, for a series of reasons.
1) Spider-man is not wearing that costume by now.
2) Bullseye, after a little divergence with American Eagle and a good nanobot-electrocution courtesy of Moonstone is, once again, completely paralyzed.
3) Well, then there's Elektra. Who is currently a big question mark after the whole affair known in this board as "Skrap".
4) Kingpin should be out of business, or at least out of the continent.
Extra (minor reasons):
5) The Owl has recently become the parody of the villain he once was (DD could beat him with hands tied behind his back IMO). |
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Gloria
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It has been mentioned in an earlier thread, and the conclusion is that, due to the people present and the anachronistic uniforms that some of them wear, it is more than likely that the cover is a symbolic summation of DD's career. However...
...For what is being said about #100, my guess is that it will have a regular story (drawn by Michael Lark) which will follow the ongoing plot in #99, and then the guest artists will probably do flashback scenes, or short non-related stories, about DD (this is where Fisk, Miss Natchios and other people could be featured)
Incidentally, in this link, a preliminary pencil drawing of the #100 cover is shown: it seems that Bullseye was a last-minute addition... no wonder he looks annoyed.
Also, the alternate cover by Lee Bermejo, although not as spectacular as Djurjevic's wraparound one, looks pretty nice: I love the familiar "gargoyles" featured.
P.S.: i just picked a,n intriguing sentence in an italian-language forum relating #99... Do you mind if I PM it to you for translation? Of course I'll understand your saying no as there's a wee spoiler in the item (also, I suspect use of vernacular words)
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The Overlord
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| I'm pretty sure the cover alludes to the fact that DD will stuck in a Mr. Fear created nightmare world in the next issue. So he will likely be fighting nightmare versions of his old foes while in a dream state. |
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Gloria
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Wow! that sounds a pretty exciting possibility, too! 
I recall pretty good scenes of Daredevil in "dreamland" or in "subsconcious land", i.e. his inner fight when he lost his radar and Stick helped him recover (back in the Miller days), or in the Nocenti run. Matt's psyche is an interesting place to be explored
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Ed Brubaker
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The guest artists aren't doing back-ups. It's MUCH cooler than that.
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Gloria
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It seems I'll be biting my nails for the next few weeks, and right now they're rather short (ouch, ouch)
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fox_limbo
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| Ed Brubaker wrote: | | The guest artists aren't doing back-ups. It's MUCH cooler than that. |
Wasn't it you telling us to ignore the solitations, Ed?
So, does that also mean ignoring that little blurb, as well?
The cover does appear to be, as Gloria pointed out, the summary of the entire Daredevil mythology, in my opinion (at least to some extent or another... no, wait, scratch that! I don't see the Mole Man!
(...Ok, I know, I know. Lame Joke, but seeing as how I have very little will-power, I could not resist).
Glad to see we haven't completely chased you off this board, Ed. But only time will tell if what your solisitous self says is, indeed, correct. |
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Neilan
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Is it going to be like #50, with the great guest stars taking a spread each, cause that was pretty cool?
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fox_limbo
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| Neilan wrote: | | ...guest stars taking a spread each, cause that was pretty cool? |
Um, in concept, perhaps. It was a tip of the hat to the people that had worked on the title in the past. But, in execution, it left a lot to be desired, I think. If you recall there were continuity hiccups, where during the brawl between Matt and Big Willie, the Kingpin was illustrated as wearing a wire-beater (muscle shirt) of sorts, and there was at least one panel where he was in a full "Kingpin"-esque three piece suit.
To me, personally, it came off as hackneyed and incredibly rushed... besiides, as it was pointed out in the past I believe, the FULL arsenal of best known Daredevil illustrators was not present, panel-by-panel. There was no Frank Miller or David Mazzuchelli. So that, for me, had deflated the whole thing a bit.
But, like I said, conceptually, yeah, I suppose it was an intereating idea; but all-in-all, it came off as being a bit unspactacular.
This case, though, where guest artists who scrutinized over illustrating Matt Murdock's world in the past returning to do, I imagine, multiple pages, rasther than a single panel, will be... to coin a certain phrase:
"...It'(ll) MUCH cooler than that."
But I digress. |
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The Overlord
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| fox_limbo wrote: | | Neilan wrote: | | ...guest stars taking a spread each, cause that was pretty cool? |
Um, in concept, perhaps. It was a tip of the hat to the people that had worked on the title in the past. But, in execution, it left a lot to be desired, I think. If you recall there were continuity hiccups, where during the brawl between Matt and Big Willie, the Kingpin was illustrated as wearing a wire-beater (muscle shirt) of sorts, and there was at least one panel where he was in a full "Kingpin"-esque three piece suit.
To me, personally, it came off as hackneyed and incredibly rushed... besiides, as it was pointed out in the past I believe, the FULL arsenal of best known Daredevil illustrators was not present, panel-by-panel. There was no Frank Miller or David Mazzuchelli. So that, for me, had deflated the whole thing a bit.
But, like I said, conceptually, yeah, I suppose it was an intereating idea; but all-in-all, it came off as being a bit unspactacular.
This case, though, where guest artists who scrutinized over illustrating Matt Murdock's world in the past returning to do, I imagine, multiple pages, rasther than a single panel, will be... to coin a certain phrase:
"...It'(ll) MUCH cooler than that."
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Yes but look at the plot line for the next issue:
"Daredevil fights for his life, facing his own worst nightmares come true! In a star-studded, triple-sized 100th issue, a red-hot roster of guest artists joins penciler Michael Lark to bring Matt Murdock's history as the Man Without Fear to life, while DD struggles against that which he fears most! Don't miss the first chapter of the groundbreaking third arc by the award-winning team of Brubaker and Lark. "Without Fear" begins with a bang!"
It seems clear from this outline and the cliffhanger in DD# 99 that Mr. Fear will trap DD in a nightmare world, making a prisoner of his own mind. The villains in the cover likely represents DD's inner demons, while the heroes would be Matt's own mental defenses. In a dream world changing styles shouldn't be that jarring, after all dreams do not always make sense. |
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Ed Brubaker
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| fox_limbo wrote: | | Neilan wrote: | | ...guest stars taking a spread each, cause that was pretty cool? |
Um, in concept, perhaps. It was a tip of the hat to the people that had worked on the title in the past. But, in execution, it left a lot to be desired, I think. If you recall there were continuity hiccups, where during the brawl between Matt and Big Willie, the Kingpin was illustrated as wearing a wire-beater (muscle shirt) of sorts, and there was at least one panel where he was in a full "Kingpin"-esque three piece suit.
To me, personally, it came off as hackneyed and incredibly rushed... besiides, as it was pointed out in the past I believe, the FULL arsenal of best known Daredevil illustrators was not present, panel-by-panel. There was no Frank Miller or David Mazzuchelli. So that, for me, had deflated the whole thing a bit.
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First, you'll probably never see Mazzuchelli drawing superhero comics again. And I doubt Frank Miller is going to draw from anyone else's script. So, there's that... but secondly, it wasn't continuity problems, it was done on purpose. It was symbolic of how long, and through how many different runs of the book (to take it to a meta-level) DD and Kingpin had been having the same basic fight.
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rgj
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| Ed Brubaker wrote: | | It was symbolic of how long, and through how many different runs of the book (to take it to a meta-level) DD and Kingpin had been having the same basic fight. |
That wasn't lost on me.
Still, fox is right IMHO, symbolism or not, when he says "it came off as hackneyed and incredibly rushed." I thought the whole sequence took away from the story. As I said, just my humble opinion.
As far as Frank and Mazz go, well, no doubt there have been countless of artists who have graced the pages of DAREDEVIL with their talent (in fact, your partner is one of the best). And, sure, they should be honored (every fifty issues, or so . . . I guess). Still, in the end it does kind of come across as a Chicago Bulls reunion without Jordan and Pippen participating. Yay!! It's Horace Grant! Anyone seen Michael??
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fox_limbo
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| Ed Brubaker wrote: | | ...it wasn't continuity problems, it was done on purpose. It was symbolic of how long, and through how many different runs of the book (to take it to a meta-level) DD and Kingpin had been having the same basic fight. |
Hmm. I guess I can kinda see that.
If I recall, this prospect of the guest art was weighed in a past discussion on the board. But I wasn't outright sold on that, though, and had dismissed at as a "bit of a stretch". The colorist (Matt Hollingsworth perhaps?) had colored the Kingpin's clothes in the same shade of green, regardless of the wardrobe being a three-piece suit or the "wife-beater", which if each panel illustration were to convey a sense of timeless conflict, wouldn't the clothing be colored differently to match the different clothing that was portrayed by the artist?
(but, who am I to second-guess Matt Hollingsworth? He is, in my estimation, one of the best colorists in the business and he could, without question, out-color me any day, even if we would happen to scribble crayons in a coloring book)
That's not to say it wasn't an interesting concept, because it was; I just feel the execution of it, as a collective whole, wasn't as tight as it could have been and it did not outright comunicate this idea (all told, I imagine it was a bit of a challenge trying to coordinate this whole thing in time to release that issue on the scheduled date, as well). |
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fox_limbo
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| The Overlord wrote: |
"Daredevil fights for his life, facing his own worst nightmares come true!"
...It seems clear from this outline and the cliffhanger in DD# 99 that Mr. Fear will trap DD in a nightmare world, making a prisoner of his own mind... |
To me, the use of the word "nightmare" parallels "fear", on one level or another. The solisitation tagged nothing specific.
On the other hand, I don't disagree with your interpretation. It may end up being just that, it's difficult to say exactly, at this juncture.
As far as the cliffhanger at the end of DD#99, I can't gauge that. (Silly me,) I had not yet gotten my hands on a copy, so I can't accurately comment on that, but it's safe to say that (based on Mr. Fear's M.O.) there will be a psychological attack on dear ol' Matt (it remains to be seen if battles will be waged in the landscape of Matt's subconscious, though). |
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Francesco
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| Gloria wrote: |
P.S.: i just picked a,n intriguing sentence in an italian-language forum relating #99... Do you mind if I PM it to you for translation? Of course I'll understand your saying no as there's a wee spoiler in the item (also, I suspect use of vernacular words) |
No problem. |
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