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FatalRose
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 Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:03 am Post subject: The Matador |
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What happened to the guy? Bru did a great job of bring the new Matador in and actually made him seem like he is skilled enough to actually be a threat to the highly skilled DD. After being KOed by a punch from Matt he has yet to be seen again. We have no idea what happened to him after that. Where is he now? Who does he work for? Will he make a return? I would hate to see a great character wasted.  |
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Francesco
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: |
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I really appreciated the new Matador. He was in no way the joke villain his predecessor was. Brubaker gave this character all he needed to be a tangible threat to Daredevil (in combat, at least). Agility, technique, proficiency with swords, a credible appearence, ruthlessness.
Also, I especially likes his civilian outfit. |
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Forrest
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: Re: The Matador |
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| FatalRose wrote: | | What happened to the guy? [. . .] We have no idea what happened to him after that. Where is he now? Who does he work for? Will he make a return? I would hate to see a great character wasted. |
We last saw him in issue #91 and the current issue is #99... I think you might be overreacting just a tad. 
It's good to rotate villains in an ongoing, even if that leaves some mystery behind the last villain's appearance. He'll be back. Right now, we have some crazy Mr. Fear action going on! 
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Gloria
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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As long as Lily is around, I bet there are plenty of chances that the brand new Matador might be seen again (never underestimate the power of pheromones)
And yes, as both an outlaw Torero and a hired assassin, he's waay cooler than Manuel Eloganto (who's not been seen since the "Playing to the Camera" story?)... And I have always liked old Musketeer and pirate films, so I love the swordmanship bit: long live the swashbucklers!
Incidentally, some Spaniard fanboys are a tad displeased (though some, as me, are quite bemused) to see that whenever there's a costumed fella from Spain he will be inevitably linked to Bullfighting, Gypsy Fortunetelling or Sangria Moonshining (Which we find as over-topic as if American heroes were invariably depicted as cowboys)
However, since dwellers of Hell's Kitchen (a.k.a. Clinton) may have similar complaints about the way their neighbourhood is depicted in "Daredevil", I will complain no further: the series is so good one forgives everything 
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Forrest
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Gloria wrote: | | Incidentally, some Spaniard fanboys are a tad displeased (though some, as me, are quite bemused) to see that whenever there's a costumed fella from Spain he will be inevitably linked to Bullfighting, Gypsy Fortunetelling or Sangria Moonshining (Which we find as over-topic as if American heroes were invariably depicted as cowboys) |
Tangent: A friend of mine went to university in Spain for about a year. When she got back, everyone suggested that she was probably sick of eating nothing but nachos, enchiladas, tacos, etc.
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Gloria
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Forrest wrote: | | Tangent: A friend of mine went to university in Spain for about a year. When she got back, everyone suggested that she was probably sick of eating nothing but nachos, enchiladas, tacos, etc. |
Tangent: This must explain why tourists buy mexican hats in Barcelona... something which has always puzzles us natives to no end
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Gloria
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The Overlord
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| The new Matador is okay but he does seem a bit genric. What's his motive? What sets him apart from every other hired merc out there? Is he completely ruthless or does he have sense of honour? What makes him a character in his own right? |
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Francesco
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Gloria wrote: |
Tangent: This must explain why tourists buy mexican hats in Barcelona... something which has always puzzles us natives to no end |
Hmm, because native shopkeepers proudly expose them? This is something that has puzzled me a lot when I visited Barcelona (I bought a red and blue Barça jester hat). |
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Gloria
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| Francesco wrote: | | Gloria wrote: |
Tangent: This must explain why tourists buy mexican hats in Barcelona... something which has always puzzles us natives to no end |
Hmm, because native shopkeepers proudly expose them? This is something that has puzzled me a lot when I visited Barcelona (I bought a red and blue Barça jester hat). |
Tangent: I don't know how it started. certainly in Madrid I haven't seen such thing: they sell, say, matador hats and bullfight or Flamenco-related souvenirs, but no Mexican hats at all.
I guess... One day, I imagine one Barcelonan shopkeeper put one of these hats in the store for the fun of it, and then found out that tourists bought it... Now that many Barcelonan souvenir shop-owners are Indian or Pakistanese, the tradition follows: they sell them, tourists buy them: it's a circle of pain (it will only end when Matt relinquishes his costume )
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rgj
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Gloria wrote: | | Incidentally, some Spaniard fanboys are a tad displeased (though some, as me, are quite bemused) to see that whenever there's a costumed fella from Spain he will be inevitably linked to Bullfighting, Gypsy Fortunetelling or Sangria Moonshining (Which we find as over-topic as if American heroes were invariably depicted as cowboys) |
That's because the characters are usually created by an American "white" person. Sure, it's about as out there as say having Matt Murdock (of Irish ancestry) be "Shamrock Man" or "Leprechaun Man" or whatever. But, I guess they don't get it. Heck, it took them a while to realize they didn't need to create an African hero by calling him Black something, or other.
It's also interesting that you mention cowboys in relation to American heroes because, while there have been many American cowboys, the cowboy actually derived from Spainsh origins as they brought cattle and horses to the New World. The traditional cowboy actually comes from a Mexican tradition, particularly in the Central States of Mexico. A truth that is lost on many. Unless you think American (meaning Anglo, in this case) cowboys named it a "rodeo" cause they thought they were naming some automobile.
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The Overlord
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| DD lacks noble villains (he has a few sympathetic villains and a lot of evil ones), perhaps Matador could fit that role. Even though Matador is a hired killer, perhaps he can have a code of ethics and a good set of manners, which would set him apart from other assassins like Bullseye, who is a rude psychopath. |
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Francesco
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Aw, come on, guys. Let's be reasonable about it. If a villain is called "the Matador" and adopts a matador theme he has to be spanish or at least of spanish origin. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise.
And this is entirely disconnected from the perceived vision of spanish people.
What did you expect? "The Mysterious Masked Matador from Pakistan"? |
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Francesco
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| The Overlord wrote: | | DD lacks noble villains (he has a few sympathetic villains and a lot of evil ones), perhaps Matador could fit that role. Even though Matador is a hired killer, perhaps he can have a code of ethics and a good set of manners, which would set him apart from other assassins like Bullseye, who is a rude psychopath. |
Tybold Lucca: Let's celebrate the marriage of my daughter with this fine wine!
Matador: (kills Lucca by plunging his rapier into his torso in a split second): Your blood will be just as fine!
How noble. |
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The Overlord
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| Francesco wrote: | | The Overlord wrote: | | DD lacks noble villains (he has a few sympathetic villains and a lot of evil ones), perhaps Matador could fit that role. Even though Matador is a hired killer, perhaps he can have a code of ethics and a good set of manners, which would set him apart from other assassins like Bullseye, who is a rude psychopath. |
Tybold Lucca: Let's celebrate the marriage of my daughter with this fine wine!
Matador: (kills Lucca by plunging his rapier into his torso in a split second): Your blood will be just as fine!
How noble. |
Well, perhaps not then. But then how do you make the matador different from every other hired assassin villain DD fights on a regular basis? The whole "I'm a pure evil assassin who loves to kill people" thing is getting really old at this point. |
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Francesco
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| Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| Hmm...you make him become a "noble" character all of a sudden? |
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