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who do you think will eventually replace Brubaker?

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comic boy genius
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: who do you think will eventually replace Brubaker?

[Gday! This is my first post here so please bear with me! I really loved Bendis's run on DD and didn't think Ed Brubaker could cut the mustard .How wrong was I? My apologies Ed ,I have seen the light. My querry is Who do you think will replace Brubaker ? And to keep the same quality of the title He/She would have to be damm good.My god could Frank Miller be lured back? Tell me guys /girls whatcha think? [/i][/b]

Gloria
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:52 am Post subject:

Mmmmh... I'd rather have no thoughts about replacing Brubaker for the moment. He's doing fine and I hope he does so for years to come, along with Lark, Gaudiano, etc... I believe that he's got quite a number of DD stories still to be told, so until these aren't out- which I think will take some time-, I don't think ity's proper to talk about a replacement. My guess is that, when the time comes, Brubaker's successor will find a strong gallery of DD friends and foes to work with... and hey! why not? even a bit of DD offspring as well (if JoeQ allows such thing: he seems to have a thing against mature adults being depicted in comics) _________________ Gloria Devuélveme el rosario de mi madre y quédate con todo lo demás "Para la cuesta arriba quiero mi burro, que la cuesta abajo yo me la subo"

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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:18 am Post subject:

Gloria wrote:

I believe that he's got quite a number of DD stories still to be told, so until these aren't out- which I think will take some time-, I don't think ity's proper to talk about a replacement.

Yeah, I think it's too early to start talking about this. It's clear that the people who work on this book right now are enjoying it a great deal (as are its readers), and I think Bru has even said something about wanting to stay on the book for a few years. Who knows what the situation will be in three or four years (or more, fingers crossed) when the book changes hands next.

Gloria wrote:

My guess is that, when the time comes, Brubaker's successor will find a strong gallery of DD friends and foes to work with...

I agree with this too. I think the basic premise of the character and all the interesting people around him give even writers who aren't as good as Bru enough to work with to keep putting out solid stories.

Gloria wrote:

and hey! why not? even a bit of DD offspring as well (if JoeQ allows such thing: he seems to have a thing against mature adults being depicted in comics)

I wouldn't mind a couple of tiny daredevils running around even though it would only give Matt even more people to worry about (though probably more to be happy about as well...). But speaking of mature adults, do you think that maybe they should bump up the rating of this book from T+ to whatever the next step is (M?). I'm not suggesting they put actual sex scenes in the book (really, I'm not), but it seems like most readers of this book are older anyway, and I suppose it would allow for an even more adult feel to the book. As for Quesada, maybe he just can't stand it when people are happy.

And, before I forget, welcome to the board "comic book genius" (that's a very modest name you've picked for yourself Laughing

). I'm new here too, but looking at the number of posts I've written so far, I guess you can tell that this board is more than a little addictive. Wink

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Gloria
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:36 am Post subject:

jumonji wrote:

Gloria wrote:

My guess is that, when the time comes, Brubaker's successor will find a strong gallery of DD friends and foes to work with...

Yes, a good supporting cast may enable even a medium writer to build up a decent story. I.e.: to put an example from other series, I'd say that a Spidey story with JJ Jameson running around practically writes itself in a 50%

jumonji wrote:

Gloria wrote:

and hey! why not? even a bit of DD offspring as well (if JoeQ allows such thing: he seems to have a thing against mature adults being depicted in comics)

Relating sex, DD has a story of not being too coy about the matter: in the Bendis-Maalev era, we got to see Matt in a lot of bed scenes! Without getting too explicit, I believe that DD is a series which is not, precisely, restrained in that matter. A more "Mature" content I can't imagine, unless we get the DD characters being even more explicit about the bees and birds thing.

As for the offspring, well I was thinking generically about the characters growing older and so... I mentioned in the OMD topic that "Guardian Devil" made a beastly "rejuvenation" of the characters by turning the law partners into single men again in a very violent way (though Matt didn't remain single for long, LOL). While I'm not pushing for Matt having kids, I like the idea of the DD family growing... I mean, Dakota used to have a kid brother back in her original series. Willie lincoln might come back, etc...

The idea of a Murdock Jr. doesn't strike me as bad, though. I Imagine a sighted Devil vigilante with ninja skills taking his father's mantle at some point. Doesn't sound too bad to me.

jumonji wrote:

And, before I forget, welcome to the board "comic book genius"

Ditto. Enjoy yourself Wink

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jumonji
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:00 am Post subject:

Gloria wrote:

As for the offspring, well I was thinking generically about the characters growing older and so... I mentioned in the OMD topic that "Guardian Devil" made a beastly "rejuvenation" of the characters by turning the law partners into single men again in a very violent way (though Matt didn't remain single for long, LOL). While I'm not pushing for Matt having kids, I like the idea of the DD family growing... I mean, Dakota used to have a kid brother back in her original series. Willie lincoln might come back, etc...

Okay, this thread is starting do demonstrate my nasty habit of going off-topic (maybe we should move this discussion to "Should there be a new direction in DD stories"?), but may I just say how cool it would have been to see Foggy in bed with Liz Osborn. Laughing

When is Foggy going to meet someone? He's really quite a catch!

Yeah, I'm not pushing for Matt having kids either, but I wouldn't mind it. One of the obvious differences between him and Spidey, to me, is that Matt is much more of a real grown-up with a good solid source of income and a steady job (when he's not being squashed by the Kingpin or something). The whole marriage thing suits him a lot better than it does Spider-man, I think, and his dark world (literally and metaphorically...) could use some bright spots here and there for balance. I'm not talking Brady bunch bliss here, but not every single aspect of his life has to be a nightmare at the same time, all the time. But that's something we've talked about before.

And yeah, whatever did happen to Willie Lincoln?
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Gloria
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:23 am Post subject:

jumonji wrote:

When is Foggy going to meet someone? He's really quite a catch!

My views on the matter are far from subjective, as most everyone knows I'm completely sold to the Fogster's charms Wink

, but, yes, I find it strange that such an handsome, amiable and sociable fellow doesn't have even female acquaintances to chat with: I suppose that he's been too focused in holding the fort for Matt ever since he was outed... on the other hand, he's got a fine working relationship with Becky and Dakota... who knows?

Re Liz Osborn, I have the theory that they had not yet reached the bedroom stage (Foggy's Ma's plotting and sabotaging prevented that). However, I'm no longer bent on Liz as a Nelson girlfriend... I think that she dropped him a bit too quickly. Again... who knows? Brubaker seems to like connecting the series with some events happening out there in the MU (i.e. the underworld fight for the control over Hell's Kitchen), so maybe he might make Liz Osborn re-appear in DD (Not that I love the idea, to me it would be a bit like having Debbie back)

jumonji wrote:

(Matt's) dark world (literally and metaphorically...) could use some bright spots here and there for balance. I'm not talking Brady bunch bliss here, but not every single aspect of his life has to be a nightmare at the same time, all the time. But that's something we've talked about before.

Yes, I think that it would be a good idea that Matt doesn't have to live an entirely wretched life all the time. There was this brief happy hiatus after #93, and I'd like to think that, after the current "Without Fear" saga, things change a bit in that sense... Matt's debacle in "Born Again" had him re-emerging as a better, happier person, in the end, and I hope that Mr. Fear's insidious plans fail and are instrumental into Matt taking the necessary measures to avoid such pitfalls in teh future. Like seeking for strategic alliances which discourage potential attacks, and, being more cautious as well.

jumonji wrote:

And yeah, whatever did happen to Willie Lincoln?

I should check the old issues, but, as far as I can remember now, nothing too dramatic. He just stopped appearing in the series. My latest memory of an appearance was when he was helping Foggy (who was DA at the time) in crime fighting.

Apart from that I think that there is a fill-in issue which was published in the late 80s, early 90s, dealing with Viet-nam, but it wasn't piblished in my country, so I don't know how the story went on.
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jumonji
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:56 am Post subject:

Gloria wrote:

My suspicions are that whatever the end of this arc brings, Matt's life will have nowhere to go but up. I'm guessing he'll probably hit rock bottom (which I hope won't include anyone dying), and once you've done that, where else could you possibly go? I liked Kesel's run, but don't think he needs to be going back to being that carefree. I agree with people who think he works best as a somewhat tortured character, it's just that I'd like to see him just slightly less tortured. The poor guy needs to come up for air at some point.

To bring the thread back on topic, sort of, I just recently listened to a one-hour podcast from a year and half ago (just after #82 came out), featuring an interview with Bru and Lark. From that interview it seemed that both of them would consider, and even prefer, to work on the book for as long or longer than Bendis/Maleev, and it was nice to know that Bru had a real definite idea of where he wants to go with the characters, and that he has plans for Matt's life years down the line. That inspires real confidence in that he knows exactly what he's doing. He won't write himself or the characters into corners that neither one of them can work themselves out of since he'll be the one to clean it up if it gets too messy.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject:

jumonji wrote:

My suspicions are that whatever the end of this arc brings, Matt's life will have nowhere to go but up

Well, let's hope that it is like that. Still, paraphrasing a sentence by Oscar Levant on depression, when you fall there's no bottom, just an endless chasm where you fall and fall until you decide to stop and go upwards again.

jumonji wrote:

I liked Kesel's run, but don't think he needs to be going back to being that carefree.

I love Kesel's run, but after Karen's death things can't quite be as they were back then.

jumonji wrote:

(Brubaker) won't write himself or the characters into corners that neither one of them can work themselves out of since he'll be the one to clean it up if it gets too messy.

That's good to know Wink

Another interesting thing I read from Brubaker was that he let the characters speak "with their own voices" in his mind, so I hope this is a good indication that, whatever thing they do, nobody will act out of character.

Incidentally, while I don't want nobody to substitute Brubaker for a long, long time, there are authors which I believe could write good DD one-shots, or miniseries:

- One is J.M. DeMatteis. I know that his DD stories, just before the Kesel run, are not appreciated by some, but he had to clear up the whole Jack Battlin' thing to put Murdock back in place. Also, his DD/Punisher/Nick Fury story had a lot of interesting points, and I think of him as someone with a good grasp of the character

- Dan Slott could write a nice, Keselian type of story, and he's got already experience of writing lawyers in spandex.
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Neilan
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:04 am Post subject:

jumonji wrote:

Yeah, I'm not pushing for Matt having kids either, but I wouldn't mind it. One of the obvious differences between him and Spidey, to me, is that Matt is much more of a real grown-up with a good solid source of income and a steady job (when he's not being squashed by the Kingpin or something). The whole marriage thing suits him a lot better than it does Spider-man, I think, and his dark world (literally and metaphorically...) could use some bright spots here and there for balance. I'm not talking Brady bunch bliss here, but not every single aspect of his life has to be a nightmare at the same time, all the time. But that's something we've talked about before.

What is a real grown-up? To me, it's not about having a steady job and a good income. It's about how you conduct your everyday life. Do you go through many romantic relationships or do you dedicate yourself to someone, wholeheartedly, both physically and emotionally. Do you put the needs of others before your own no matter what stresses life sends your way? For my money, Peter Parker, ironically enough, is more of a grownup. He may act more carefree, but it is a defense mechanism, a way to laugh at the crazy world of superheroing, not to mention that it started as a way to cover up a teenager's uncertainty when he was first starting out as Spidey.

I haven't read any of OMD yet so I'm not up on the latest developments. I'm waiting for the last issue before I read it or the incredibly long thread on this board. It's taking every ounce of willpower for me not to read the thread. I'm almost happy that this is my incredibly busy season at work that leaves me almost no time to jump on the site.

Matt Murdock is certainly an exceptional (fictional) human being, in many ways. Helps others, is very serious minded and dresses for success. But I feel it is easier for him to succumb to temptation than Pete. It's harder for him to keep his vigilante life separate from his personal life. Forget Civil War and his outing, Matt's boundary lines were frequently blurred way before all that stuff. I know Pete can act silly and that he sees just about every other Marvel hero as an adult while he thinks of himself as someone who has a lot of growing up to do. I think it's somewhat similar to those who have an addiction problem but can't see it. More often than not, if you think you are all grown up, you're not. If you see room for improvement and struggle and strive to attain it, that's what proves you are a grownup.

Of course, this is coming from a guy reading comic books with jewels hanging down from his few strands of hair (courtesy of my 8 year old).
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