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entzauberung
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 Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:55 am Post subject: Re: Daredevil's origins |
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| blacktyphoid wrote: |
Right! And in Joe Kelly's case, he ended up grafting Typhoid Mary's origin onto the Miller retcon (Typhoid being a prostitute in the brothel), making the Miller version of DD's origin fundamental to any discussion of Daredevil's sexually twisted history and relationship with her. Furthermore, by using the Miller retcon, Kelly ensured that DD and Typhoid Mary's origins were not only connected - but integral - to each other. Like the Elektra and Stick characters, the Typhoid Mary origin results in adding a new layer to Matt's pre-Daredevil life.
So, at least in Typhoid's case, the Miller retcon trumps the original origin.
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I wouldn't mind seeing that (or any post-Nocenti Typhoid appearances) disappear, though. |
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blacktyphoid
Playing to the Camera
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Daredevil's origins |
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| entzauberung wrote: |
I wouldn't mind seeing that (or any post-Nocenti Typhoid appearances) disappear, though. |
I think I know what you mean. Typhoid, in the hands of a writer other than Nocenti during her period writing Daredevil, just didn't seem to work. That said, I think there was one grand exception to the rule. It was found in Chichester's Last Rites arc. I think Chichester and Weekes placed great closure on the twisted Typhoid Mary/Daredevil relationship saga initiated by Nocenti. We saw new lows to which Daredevil would stoop in order to gain his revenge and we saw how the inner conflict of Typhoid's split personalities finally did her in. We learned something new about both characters. Plus, the ending had a true finality to it. If the Typhoid saga ended there (as it perhaps should have), I would have been fine with it. But of course, in comics there are no endings - only new beginnings.
(Speaking of new beginnings, when will we see the appearance of the Karen Page clone? But I digress...)
You would probably disagree with this, but I quite enjoyed the Bendis portrayal of Typhoid. My only reservation with his portrayal was how easily she got the crap knocked out of her by Luke Cage. Surely, in a Nocenti written comic, she would have been too cunning to let that happen to her.
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Dimetre
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Daredevil's origins |
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| blacktyphoid wrote: | | You would probably disagree with this, but I quite enjoyed the Bendis portrayal of Typhoid. My only reservation with his portrayal was how easily she got the crap knocked out of her by Luke Cage. Surely, in a Nocenti written comic, she would have been too cunning to let that happen to her. |
I absolutely agree with you. Typhoid's appearance at the beginning of the Hardcore arc showed so much promise, but she ended up being wasted. I thought Matt should have fought her, not Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.
I also enjoyed her appearance in Last Rites, but until now I never realized that other than that one instance, Ann Nocenti is the only writer to portray her correctly. I recommend her Typhoid mini-series she did with Jo Van Fleet. |
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entzauberung
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Daredevil's origins |
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| blacktyphoid wrote: | | [I think I know what you mean. Typhoid, in the hands of a writer other than Nocenti during her period writing Daredevil, just didn't seem to work. |
It's just that Typhoid as a character was pretty obviously meant as a feminist statement (on many levels, I don't feel like going through it now but I think most here has read the issues).
To go from that to make her a mindless flunky (Bendis), or, even worse, a confused little girl other (male) characters can walk around an annual patronizing (Kelly) is actually sickening to me. |
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Katerine
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Daredevil's origins |
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| Gloria wrote: | | Now, ladies and gentlemen, let me know your views: do you prefer the classic origin or the retconned one? |
I'm just going to quick answer this question when it comes to the "age" issue...
I'm a little torn. On the one hand, plot-wise, Matt being in college when his father is killed makes more sense. Especially if you put Stick into the picture - Stick abandoned Matt right after his father was killed. So if Matt was older when it happened, that means more training time with Stick, which would help explain his fighting skills (it's kind of incongruous to have Matt be so skilled after just a year or so of training - in secret, no less).
Also, it makes more sense given his choices in law focus - if Matt hadn't experienced the murder yet, this means that his primary motivation for going into law in the first place was still just to help people who couldn't help themselves (after hearing his father's helplessness at being blackmailed). Hence the focus on defense law.
OTOH, it IS obviously more dramatic and sympathetic to have Matt be orphaned as a child. And, of course, everything else about MWF is golden (it's the book that made me fall in love with DD in the first place, and I think it's absolutely imperative to understanding the character), so it's kind of hard to vote against it in any respect (especially since I found Daredevil:Yellow to be shallow and disappointing).
So... I guess what I'm trying to say is that I prefer whichever interpretation better suits my purposes and my mood at the time.  |
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