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Was there ever a time you DIDN'T like Daredevil?
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alexander284
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Was there ever a time you DIDN'T like Daredevil? Reply with quote

Was there ever a time you DIDN'T like Daredevil?

Was DD an "acquired taste" for you?

Did you ever "give up" on his comic? Question
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always liked the character.

When I feel like I have a better handle on Matt than the guy telling the story, I check out.

...But I always stay close enough to jump back in.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:13 am    Post subject: Hey, Stanley! Reply with quote

Stanley wrote:
I've always liked the character.

When I feel like I have a better handle on Matt than the guy telling the story, I check out.

...But I always stay close enough to jump back in.


Hey, Stanley! Just curious: what is it about Daredevil that you find particularly interesting or appealing? Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: Was there ever a time you DIDN'T like Daredevil? Reply with quote

alexander284 wrote:
Was there ever a time you DIDN'T like Daredevil?


Very recently, right after reading #105.
There, I said it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a time where I stopped reading comics in high school, but I continued to pick up Daredevil, just because.

I did lose interest in the comic just after Fall From Grace up until the Kesel/Nord stories... I just couldn't get into it. Strangely enough, that's when I started the site, as that phase was ending...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been in and out for the whole run. I always READ the comics, when I could find them, but during a long hiatus, I didn't BUY them, because it was frowned upon to be reading comics because they were so unladylike. (Huge eyeroll here.)

I hated the time period when DD went to hell, the voodoo stuff, and the armored costume period. But I wasn't so far away that I couldn't pick it back up.

Been pretty solid since the Kesel/Nord days.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My knee jerk reaction was "nope" but looking back at it I realize I haven't liked a whole bunch of Daredevil. I started with the Nocenti run and loved every minute of it. While reading those I caught up on all the Miller stuff and loved it. I was also a huge fan of Chichester's stuff (even the Tree of Knowledge). Everything between Chichester's main run and his return for the final issue of Volume 1 was crap. Kevin Smith was crap. Parts of a Hole...also crap. But then Bendis saved us all. Trial of the Century was crap. Ultimate crap was Vision Quest. Although that's not really fair since it wasn't a Daredevil story at all.

Through it all though I've never missed an issue (except for Vision Quest but again - doesn't count).

That said, I've always loved the character. It's just the writers I don't like.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm old school. I've got the entire set going back to Vol 1, no. 1. That's every Daredevil comic ever published since the character's inception.

When I was 17, I took half the money I made from my summer camp job ($100) to purchase the first 100 issues of vol. 1 from a friend. (At that time, it seemed like a lot of money. No doubt, that became the greatest financial investment I ever made!)

The guy I purched the DD comics from was a part-time comic book collector and full-time drug pusher. He lived in his parents home and his comic collecting became a front for drug sales. He had his own car, television, tons of albums and tapes and other cool things that other kids our age could only dream of. He told his parents that his money was derived from his comic book sales - and they believed him. My friend was quite the entrepreneur.

Any rate, because I have the entire set, having bought every issue since vol. 1 no. 100, simply "staying close" during the bad periods is not an option for me. I must continue buying regardless of the quality because a set this large cannot be broken. The larger the set the harder to quit.

I, too, hated Vision Quest. (I'm not a big fan of Mack to begin with.) That was a painful six issues (and half year of DD collecting) - which I had to buy so that a 40 year old set would not be broken.

I wasn't a fan of Kessel and Nord, either. I thought Nord was a terrible artist. But again, I had to buy them.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:29 am    Post subject: Re: Was there ever a time you DIDN'T like Daredevil? Reply with quote

alexander284 wrote:
Was there ever a time you DIDN'T like Daredevil?

I positively HATE the flimsy Kruel saga (still, I keep it at home: that's the completists's doom... or maybe not to forget the horror, the horror, the hell, the pointless cruelty... homo homini lupus)

alexander284 wrote:
Was DD an "acquired taste" for you?


In a way, it was: At the time I got addicted I wasn't too keen on superheroes: but you'll understand, the Hulk was the most amply published superguy in my country, and I generally find the Green Giant's exploits boring to no end (How can Banner, I ponder, have such a fun cousin?). In fact, I found the little DC stuff there was around as much more enticing readings.

But then I became acquainted with Eisner's "The Spirit", and fell in love with its stories. Then I got (just to read in the train) a cheap pack of marvel comics, including Miller's story "Devils"... and there was there such a dinamic storytelling, so nicely reminiscent of Eisner's graphics, "The Maltese Falcon", a hero fighting for justice and one heckuva villain (not to mention the two film buffs).

So i decided to sample more of these Daredevil comics by this Miller guy... the rest is history: Kingpin, Elektra, Turk, Grotto... and foggy Nelson... Can any comic top such heavenly goodness?


alexander284 wrote:

Did you ever "give up" on his comic? Question

There are two hiatuses where I stopped to buy DD regularly (if not abandoned: I'd buy a trade or four/five monthlies at a time) one was the Chichester to "Allen Smithee" era (and I earnestly hope you'll understand).

The second was during the Bendis era, as my mother was -fatally- ill and I didn't travel to my regular comics as often, so I would get many issues at a time instead of one issue monthly (not bad, considering how decompressed the stories were)
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flying Blind (circa #376-379)was the pinnacle of absolute crap, a load of utter garbage of a story. It was around here the title came as close to death as a title can get without being actually canceled. It was the bookend of a horror era of DD which in my opinion started with the Dan Chichester run after #300. Scott McDaniel was still learning to draw, a terrible inker made his pencils and thus the art overall just unbearable, and the storys were badly executed and were so hard to understand what was happening in them. The Kruel story had the worst use of unbelievable co-incidences I've ever seen. Terrible!
Still I slogged through it all, month after month, year after year, hoping things would get better. The only respite was the DeMattias run which I did enjoy, and the Kessell and Kelley runs were OK, but still were dissappoining overall.
In fact it wasn't until Parts of a hole I started to enjoy the book again, and have more or less been enjoying it ever since.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I first got into Daredevil when Denny O'Neil was writing it. He quickly became my favourite character. However I stopped buying comics altogether for many years.

When I got the idea to write a Daredevil screenplay, I started buying the comics to see what he was up to. This was during Guardian Devil and I got hooked again. I started getting into all the back issues. I honestly think Chichester's period was the worst era for Daredevil, although I've still never read Flying Blind.

I enjoyed Guardian Devil, loved Parts of a Hole, tolerated Playing to the Camera, then became increasingly annoyed during Bendis' run. I kept buying the comic as I was waiting to see what Mack was going to do with Vision Quest. I enjoyed it as concept art, but it wasn't a Daredevil story. I didn't want to read more Bendis, so I dropped it. I picked it up when Brubaker took over, and I've been enjoying the book ever since.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shortly after I watched Ben Affleck be someone sort of like daredevil I kinda dislikes the character for a while.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I randomly decide to reread the entire series, and I have to say that v1 50-100 are painful. Daredevil whines and makes incredibly non-Daredevilesque remarks. Half of each issue is him reflecting on events from 1-49.

I challenge anyone to sit and read 50-100 then go read any of the other "bad" runs and tell me that they compare.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mandrill wrote:
I randomly decide to reread the entire series, and I have to say that v1 50-100 are painful. Daredevil whines and makes incredibly non-Daredevilesque remarks. Half of each issue is him reflecting on events from 1-49.

I challenge anyone to sit and read 50-100 then go read any of the other "bad" runs and tell me that they compare.



Welcome to the Board, Mandrill.

I gladly accept your challenge. I think some of Daredevil's best drawn, most creative comics in his forty year history appear in this section you nebulously dismiss. (Can you clarify what you mean when you say that Daredevil "makes incredibly non-Daredevilesque remarks"?)

As many of the older contributors already know, I think issues #s 81 - 94 were some of the best comics of their time - Daredevil or otherwise. Here's why:

1) The Great Art: Daredevil was priviledged to have a Marvel Great at the Top of his Game
With his uncanny, cinematic splash pages (including that breathtaking two-pager in vol. 1 # 90!), expressive facial detailing, heart-stopping flow of action, the character composition and unique panel construction, Gene "The Dean" Colan was (and remains) DD's definitive artist. Gene's San Francisco, in which he goes to exacting lengths to showcase the city's rollling, hilly streets, bridges and chinese architecture clearly made the city come alive, essentially becoming a supporting, yet highly visible, character within each story. What a refreshing change of pace from the usual, bland metropolis we see in most comics. These stories come towards the end of Gene's prolific seven year run on the book, yet his work on the book was as vibrant and focused as ever!

2) Daredevil leads a sexual revolution in comics
DD vol. 1 #81 - 94 focused on the unique relationship between Black Widow and Daredevil. THey represented a breakthrough in the way relationships were depicted. Perhaps for the first time ever in a mainstream comic, we witnessed two unmarried superheroes (DD & Black Widow) living together in a sexaully suggested relationship. Despite the rather heavy handed and chauvinistic script by a very young Gerry Conway, the DD/BW relationship was portrayed by Colan as sexy, sophisticated and complicated. Mandrill, go back into those issues one more time and check out the subtle body language between the two characters - how they lean into each other and touch each other. A sensual, physical intimacy is displayed that, I think, is rarely seen in comics, especially at the time those books were published. Without reading any dialogue, you could tell from the drawings that DD and BW were hot for each other - in the way that passion often ignites physical action between couples that extends beyond the bedroom and into public displays of affection and touching. That was pretty heady stuff for a mainstream comic to present in 1973! You've got to give The Dean his due for the way he draws this relationship. As a result, it's my contention that Daredevil led a sexual revolution in mainstream comics.

DD #81 - 94 was a marvelous, short lived, era - a superhero stationed in hip San Francisco (rather than New York) and living in a non-married, sexually charged relationship drawn by an artist who is finally receiving his due as one of all time greatest in comicdom. You see, my friend: there was innovation and greatness in that period you rebuke.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breakthrough? Hardly. Comix had been around for at least 10 years before that horrid period of Daredevil and they did far more to break down any sexual revolution stereotypes than DD ever had an opportunity to do. Not only that, but this era of DD was a POOR representation of the sexual revolution. "I'm my own woman! But I'll chase you back to NY and hope we can stay together. But I want to be in the forefront! But I'll stay here if you tell me to." Blah.

The reason I proclaim it to be a non-DD version of DD is because you could easily paste a picture of Spider-Man over Daredevil and change any mention of "Daredevil" to "Spider-Man" and be none the wiser that it was NOT a Spider-Man issue.

Beyond that, it is a period in which some of the most ridiculous storylines appear (though a bit before the amazing Voodoo carp) and in which most of the incongruities of DD's abilities appear. Unless you find it feasible that he could fly an airplane, even if Tony Stark designed it.

I will give that his revelation to Karen Page about being DD occurs in this run, but it is sullied by the fact that the storyline it occurred in was *horrible*.

But this is all my opinion and you are certainly entitled to yours. I still would like you to point out a more irrelevant and craptacular period for DD.
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