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Ian
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 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: Poor Milla... |
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I've just re-read all of DD Volume Two and more than anything else I just can't believe how sorry I feel for Milla as a character. I mean, Karen and Elektra at least played some part in the misery they went through, but Milla has basically been a punching bag since Bendis introduced her. More than anyone else, I think Brubaker should probably fix what he did to her. Discuss!
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jumonji
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: Re: Poor Milla... |
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| Ian wrote: | | I've just re-read all of DD Volume Two and more than anything else I just can't believe how sorry I feel for Milla as a character. I mean, Karen and Elektra at least played some part in the misery they went through, but Milla has basically been a punching bag since Bendis introduced her. More than anyone else, I think Brubaker should probably fix what he did to her. Discuss! |
I think I'd like to see Milla restored and vindicated at some point. If either Bru or the next writer doesn't want her in Matt's life, that's one thing, but I'd like to see her recover (which would also be a victory for DD), and possibly dump him. That way she could come across as the strong and independent woman I think both Bendis and Bru (yes, looking at issue #94) want her to be.
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Francesco
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I don't follow. "Being strong and independant" equals "dumping the person you married"?
I'd dump all my TPBs if that happens. |
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jumonji
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| Francesco wrote: | I don't follow. "Being strong and independant" equals "dumping the person you married"?
I'd dump all my TPBs if that happens. |
No. I'm saying that if a particular writer doesn't want Matt to be married to Milla, showing her to be in charge of the situation and leaving Matt due to various issues (self-preservation is a good one) would signal strength and independence much more than having her be a victim of circumstance by being either killed off or dumped by him.
Re-reading what I just wrote, I can see how that came out a little strange. I was talking about a good way of resolving the situation if a current of future writer doesn't want Matt married to her. Given that particular situation, her dumping him would seem like the way to go.
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Francesco
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| So that's because - if a writer doesn't want Matt married to Milla - there's no alternative that isn't "him dumping her" "her being killed off" and "her dumping him"? |
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jumonji
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| Francesco wrote: | | So that's because - if a writer doesn't want Matt married to Milla - there's no alternative that isn't "him dumping her" "her being killed off" and "her dumping him"? |
What would that be? The marriage would have to be undone if a writer doesn't want them married. This is done etiher through divorce (which one of them would have to initiate, though it could be done on good terms) or one of them would have to die.
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Kuljit Mithra
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| jumonji wrote: | | Francesco wrote: | | So that's because - if a writer doesn't want Matt married to Milla - there's no alternative that isn't "him dumping her" "her being killed off" and "her dumping him"? |
What would that be? The marriage would have to be undone if a writer doesn't want them married. This is done etiher through divorce (which one of them would have to initiate, though it could be done on good terms) or one of them would have to die. |
Come on, you're forgetting Mephisto!
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jumonji
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| Kuljit Mithra wrote: | | jumonji wrote: | | Francesco wrote: | | So that's because - if a writer doesn't want Matt married to Milla - there's no alternative that isn't "him dumping her" "her being killed off" and "her dumping him"? |
What would that be? The marriage would have to be undone if a writer doesn't want them married. This is done etiher through divorce (which one of them would have to initiate, though it could be done on good terms) or one of them would have to die. |
Come on, you're forgetting Mephisto! |
Ah... Yeah, you got me there. 
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Francesco
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| jumonji wrote: | | (which one of them would have to initiate, though it could be done on good terms) |
That sounds certainly better than "her dumping him". Still I don't see how the spouse initiating the divorce would automatically come across strong and independant because of it. |
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Kirika
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| I haven't liked Mila from the start. She is probably one of my least favorite things that has been put into volume 2. Truly, I don't care what they do to her so long as she is gone. That said, I agree that it would be good to see her kick his butt to the curb. |
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jumonji
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| Francesco wrote: | | jumonji wrote: | | (which one of them would have to initiate, though it could be done on good terms) |
That sounds certainly better than "her dumping him". Still I don't see how the spouse initiating the divorce would automatically come across strong and independant because of it. |
Okay, I'll be really specific here...
Milla: "Matt, I can't live like this anymore."
Matt. "What do you mean?"
Milla: "Well, I used to have a good life with friends and a great job before I met you. We've had some good times together and I love you, but I just feel like I deserve better than being the latest target for all the creeps you seem to attract, and that year in the mental hospital wasn't all that great. I deserve to be with someone who doesn't have to go beat people up every night. Matt, I'm leaving you."
Okay, so that wasn't much of a dialogue, but what I would want to see, should their marriage come to an end, is her asserting herself as someone who deserves better than the things he has brought into her life. She, quite frankly, does deserve better than what their marriage has brought her.
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Ian
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Yeah, but she couldn't stay in the book that way. I think Milla would be a dud of a character without being Matt's significant other. Unless they did a whole story about the woes of the housing commission...or she inherited some superhero junk from a dead family member and went on to...oh nevermind.
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Francesco
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| jumonji wrote: | | Francesco wrote: | | jumonji wrote: | | (which one of them would have to initiate, though it could be done on good terms) |
That sounds certainly better than "her dumping him". Still I don't see how the spouse initiating the divorce would automatically come across strong and independant because of it. |
Okay, I'll be really specific here...
Milla: "Matt, I can't live like this anymore."
Matt. "What do you mean?"
Milla: "Well, I used to have a good life with friends and a great job before I met you. We've had some good times together and I love you, but I just feel like I deserve better than being the latest target for all the creeps you seem to attract, and that year in the mental hospital wasn't all that great. I deserve to be with someone who doesn't have to go beat people up every night. Matt, I'm leaving you."
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And in fact, that doesn't make her come across neither as strong or independant, if you ask me. Quite the opposite, in fact. |
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jumonji
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| Francesco wrote: | | And in fact, that doesn't make her come across neither as strong or independant, if you ask me. Quite the opposite, in fact. |
Please explain why and in which way the marriage could end (if it comes to that) that would allow her to come off as stong and indpendent.
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Francesco
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I can't think of one, honestly, but I had this in mind since I first posted in reply to this topic. Sometimes you can't have your cake and eat it, too.
I wouldn't have excessive problems with it, if they'll eventually break up. It is not unlikely, and we all know that Milla has been thrown into a vortex of crap since she married Matt, especially with what Mr Fear has done to her.
It would be humanly understandable, a scenario in which she (hypotetically, after regaining her sanity) tells Matt that she can no longer continue that way and wants divorce.
But I don't think that would also serve somehow to have her come across a strong character.
There have been several instances in which Milla has been shown as a strong character, and they have been an entirely different thing:
Her visiting Matt in prison despite what had happened to Foggy in there and despite Becky's insistence; Trying to talk sense into the crazed Melvin (who had hit her in the face moments earlier and was about to slay her); her having the courage to return to Matt after having receives the annullment, realizing that she was abandoning him.
Even the time when she had requested the annulment, it wasn't her way to quit because she was afraid of the dangers of being married to Daredevil, it was because she thought that Matt had married her as a result of a nervous breakdown somehow linked to his memory of Karen.
Personally I think, it's not necessary to have Milla do something that would supposedly show her as strong (it has already been established that she is).
My "prioritary problem" with Milla is the fact that she has been through too much. She needs to be given a break. |
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