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Dave Wallace Paradiso
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1074 Location: Birmingham, UK
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blacktyphoid Playing to the Camera
Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 137
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Daredevil #114 discussion |
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Nicely written, Dave. Your narrative has a real nice flow to it and your observations are well developed and expressed. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
SPOILER QUESTION AHEAD:
I'm a little slow off the mark: was White Tiger murdered? If so, who was that person on the rooftop? I thought it might have been Lady Bullseye impersonating her, until I realized she couldn't simultaneously be in two places (the other place being Matt's law office).
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Dave Wallace Paradiso
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1074 Location: Birmingham, UK
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Daredevil #114 discussion |
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blacktyphoid wrote: |
Nicely written, Dave. Your narrative has a real nice flow to it and your observations are well developed and expressed. I thoroughly enjoyed it. |
Thanks. Although I think I used the word "whether" a little too often in this review, looking back at it.
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SPOILER QUESTION AHEAD:
I'm a little slow off the mark: was White Tiger murdered? If so, who was that person on the rooftop? I thought it might have been Lady Bullseye impersonating her, until I realized she couldn't simultaneously be in two places (the other place being Matt's law office).
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I think that the White Tiger was killed, and then resurrected by the Hand. Just like the other character who appears with red eyes at the end of the issue. |
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Gloria Redemption

Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 711 Location: Suburbia around Barcelona
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Black Typhoid... I read your comment on the other tread and... I must say that I dropped the idea on a "what if" basis (I mean "It's likely" rather than "it is"), so I was quite surprised to see it actually happen!
This issue has no pannels with a costumed DD, but one heckuva pages with Foggy: hence I rate it as an all-time perfect DD issue!!
BTW, Gotta love the "WTF!!!" expression on the Fogster's face when he sees the pictures. I must say that he's pretty cool-headed: anyobe else would just have screamed his lungs out to Mattie (if not attempting to punch him, too) _________________ Gloria
Devuélveme el rosario de mi madre y quédate con todo lo demás
"Para la cuesta arriba quiero mi burro, que la cuesta abajo yo me la subo" |
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jumonji Guardian Devil

Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 636 Location: Too close to the Arctic circle
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: |
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I'm sure there are some people out there who are going to go "boo-hoo, no DD in costume!" but what actually does happen in this issue is so darn exciting I don't even understand why people bother complaining about details like that.
I must agree with what Dave said in his review about admiring Brubaker's knack for digging out previous plot points (i.e. the divorce papers) and using them again. It makes everything feel organic. Love it!
I'm quite surprised that the lawyer turned out to be Lady B. First of all, I didn't think she looked that similar to her previous out-of-costume appearance, and I also thought that Matt would (should?) be able to tell. Everyone knows I'm all for keeping Matt's senses down to earth and believable (i.e. heightened, but not breaking the laws of physics more than absolutely necessary), but it would be hard for her to alter her scent enough that a dog wouldn't recognize her as the same person. And if a dog can do it, Matt should be able to do it. His being a 'dawg' and everything (kidding). Although, I guess she's been shown do be sufficiently in control of her body to do some weird sh*t, and this ability might be something out of the ninja tool box.
Either way, I liked this issue a lot. There are two separate cliff-hangers and the story progressed in ways that I found to be quite rewarding. The big questions now are... Will BT and the White Tiger be restored to their previous forms (and how?), what is Lady B's agenda and will Matt decide to cut Milla loose? I guess you can tell that I'm assuming he will survive the encounter with all those ninjas (besides, Izo and Iron Fist will probably show up any second too).
I think this story probably will have what feels like a definite ending to it, but maybe it will more like the end of the battle than the end of the war. Either way, we have to wait a whole darn month for it. *sigh* _________________ The Other Murdock Papers |
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blacktyphoid Playing to the Camera
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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With all the choas and tragedy that exist in and around Matt's life, the one place he can count to maintain order, control and peace is (and has been) his law office. So imagine how jarring and invasive it must have felt when the following things occur in one blocbuster meeting:
1) Lady Bullseye appears in alter ego (what chutzpah!)
2) His in-laws arrive without prior notice or warning
3) Revealing and compromising photographs materialize
4) His old, signed divorce papers surface
With the security and order of his law office shattered, what's he got left? The staircase!
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blacktyphoid Playing to the Camera
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Gloria wrote: | BTW, Gotta love the "WTF!!!" expression on the Fogster's face when he sees the pictures. I must say that he's pretty cool-headed: anyobe else would just have screamed his lungs out to Mattie (if not attempting to punch him, too) |
In that same vein, how about Dakota's reaction to seeing those photographs? Wow.
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Francesco Underboss
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Daredevil #114 discussion |
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Dave, are you sure that the marriage annulment papers are "unsigned"? I think the authors were pretty clear in saying that they were actually signed, both by Milla and Matt, but that Milla decided not to deliver them. |
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Darediva Wake Up

Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1208 Location: Hell's Kitchen South, Arkansas, USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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This issue, for me, was a real "page-turner". I couldn't wait to see what happened next. This is when 22 pages just isn't enough, but boy, did they pack a lot in them.
I agree with Francesco about the divorce papers being signed, just never filed. What I don't get is that the Donovans acted like Matt had initiated the divorce, when it clearly was Milla who filed against Matt.
The compromising photos go to show that even blind superheroes should have draperies on their windows! Or maybe Milla was a bit of an exhibitionist after all, and she never bothered to put up any window treatments. Tsk, tsk.
Maybe Lady B's nervous heartbeat in the office was a deliberate ploy, along with her noticable perfume, to disguise herself. That, and the fact that the Donovans themselves would be a huge distracting factor in the room. Way more "real life" than the old days when Matt could "detect an aura of evil" on someone. I have to say I like this...a lot!
Except for having to wait a month to turn the next page, as always. _________________ Alice
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Dave Wallace Paradiso
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1074 Location: Birmingham, UK
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: Re: Daredevil #114 discussion |
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Francesco wrote: | Dave, are you sure that the marriage annulment papers are "unsigned"? I think the authors were pretty clear in saying that they were actually signed, both by Milla and Matt, but that Milla decided not to deliver them. |
Apologies, you're absolutely right.
And as well as reading the current issue a couple of times, I only just finished reading the original issues dealing with the matter in the Bendis Omnibus, so I have no excuse for getting it wrong!  |
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Francesco Underboss
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Daredevil #114 discussion |
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Dave Wallace wrote: | Francesco wrote: | Dave, are you sure that the marriage annulment papers are "unsigned"? I think the authors were pretty clear in saying that they were actually signed, both by Milla and Matt, but that Milla decided not to deliver them. |
Apologies, you're absolutely right.
And as well as reading the current issue a couple of times, I only just finished reading the original issues dealing with the matter in the Bendis Omnibus, so I have no excuse for getting it wrong!  |
Don't sweat it, your review is fine stuff as always.
Even covering the too often overlooked role of the colorist. |
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Dave Wallace Paradiso
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Thanks. Yeah, I think that Matt Hollingsworth is doing some great work here. |
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blacktyphoid Playing to the Camera
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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Dave Wallace wrote: | Thanks. Yeah, I think that Matt Hollingsworth is doing some great work here. |
I'm already on record saying that I enjoyed your review. But enjoying it and necessarily agreeing with everything in it are two different things. For instance, while we're on the subject of colour, I wouldn't have described the law office as "stuffy oranges", but rather as warm reds and browns that convey a sense of comfort. It goes back to my earlier comment of the law office being the one place in Matt's life of control and security - and therefore comfort. I felt the colours of his office symbolize that.
The law office is also bright and clean, symbolizing clarity and truth. Things begin to unravel for Matt in his office only after he swipes his paperwork across his office. Matt's gesture is a kind of a forewarning of the terrible choas to come in the unexpected meeting that followed with his inlaws and LB's alter ego.
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Darediva Wake Up

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blacktyphoid wrote: | Dave Wallace wrote: | Thanks. Yeah, I think that Matt Hollingsworth is doing some great work here. |
I'm already on record saying that I enjoyed your review. But enjoying it and necessarily agreeing with everything in it are two different things. For instance, while we're on the subject of colour, I wouldn't have described the law office as "stuffy oranges", but rather as warm reds and browns that convey a sense of comfort. It goes back to my earlier comment of the law office being the one place in Matt's life of control and security - and therefore comfort. I felt the colours of his office symbolize that.
The law office is also bright and clean, symbolizing clarity and truth. Things begin to unravel for Matt in his office only after he swipes his paperwork across his office. Matt's gesture is a kind of a forewarning of the terrible choas to come in the unexpected meeting that followed with his inlaws and LB's alter ego.
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You are right on target here, BT. Very good analysis of some principles of design theory. Not only does the art team of L/G get the perspectives and line down in the backgrounds, but Hollingsworth gets the coloring perfect to add to the character of the setting for the action in the scenes. I also really like the angles of the very cinematic panels. All this adds up to another huge reason I'm enjoying this run on Daredevil so much. It isn't just the writing, it's the whole package deal.
Great issue, gentlemen! _________________ Alice
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Kirika Flying Blind
Joined: 05 Sep 2008 Posts: 57
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It took me a while (actually forever by my usual standards) to get my hands on this issue. I just finished it about 20 minutes ago, and I have to say I am a little torn. I enjoyed the issue, but I am a little annoyed by the fact that Lady B was the donovan's lawyer. I was kind of hoping that the two things would be unrelated. At times it just gets a bit irritating that the majority of Matt's turmoil is caused by some bad guy deciding to screw with his personal life for the millionth time...granted that has led to some of the best DD stories. I dunno maybe I am just complaining about nothing. |
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