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The Overlord
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 Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: Revamping Daredevil's rogues gallery |
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Since Waid said he is going to stay from ninjas and Kingpin in terms of villains for DD to fight, do you think at some point Waid should try to revamp some of Daredevil's existing rogues gallery?
Geoff Johns was able to revamp Flash's rogues gallery and now Flash's rogues gallery is considered the best behind Batman and Spider-Man's rogues galleries.
Also what kind of ideas would you like see when revamping DD's rogues gallery? I have a few:
I think it would be interesting if they retconned Jester's back story so that his acting career was ruined by a jealous producer or another actor and Jester is now seeking revenge against that person. This makes him more of sympathetic character and puts DD in the position of saving an unlikable person who is protected by the law. That's more interesting then Jester being a Joker clone who become a villain because he is egoistical idiot who was stupid enough to think he could act despite not taking acting lessons.
Another idea I had for revamping villains to kill of the first Masked Marauder and replace him with a new mysterious Masked Marauder, who's identity would be a real mystery and perhaps could be revealed to be someone very close to Daredevil. That would more interesting then the current Masked Marauder who is never used because there is nothing interesting about him besides the fact he just happened to Matt Murdock's landlord back in the Silver Age. |
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Pete
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I think the Jester idea is great. I've long thought that this guy could be really made to work, but apart from the original Lee/Colan tales in Vol 1 #42, 44-46, then the quite good Marv Wolfman three parter years later, he has never been used to his full potential.
I'd like to see The Unholy Three back, as well as Killgrave. |
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The Overlord
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Pete wrote: | I think the Jester idea is great. I've long thought that this guy could be really made to work, but apart from the original Lee/Colan tales in Vol 1 #42, 44-46, then the quite good Marv Wolfman three parter years later, he has never been used to his full potential.
I'd like to see The Unholy Three back, as well as Killgrave. |
Thanks, I reading some DC comics lately and DC does seem to do way better job at revamping C-list villains then Marvel does. DC has managed to make pretty lame villains like Catman and Black Hand into compelling characters.
There are no bad characters, only bad writers, but you have to give a villain a story that is different from their previous stories or give us more insight into the characters themselves. That's what Batman the Animated Series did with Mr. Freeze, they took a one dimensional ice villain who stole diamonds and made bad ice puns and turned him into a tragic character, that was a good twist.
I thought of a few more ideas: bring the Wild boys back but as street gang, the two original Wild Boys, Spit and Jet could be the leaders, recruiting children from broken homes and kids on the street into a vicious criminal gang. It interesting to see DD deal with a street gang rather then the usual mafia outfits he fights, there is more of sense that street gangs exploit disfranchised youths in terms of recruitment.
Also I think Daredevil should fight a cult, make a DD villain into a cult leader or establish a new villain as cult leader. I think Micah Synn might be able to fit that role. It be interesting to see DD fight a cult rather then a traditional criminal outfit, considering religion has played a role with DD now and again and a cult would less logical goals then a criminal outfit, making them a different challenge for DD.
As you suggested Purple Man would be a good choice to return, he was revamped into a more sinister character by Bendis, so it would be interesting to see him play off of DD now. It be interesting to pit Purple Man against Typhoid Mary and have DD be in the middle, I could imagine Typhoid Mary would hate a rapist like Killgrave. |
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Dash
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Stilt-man
Matador
Man-Bull
Maybe all together. Maybe all at once. But Stilt-Man would finally get the respect he deserves. Maybe they could have him kill off Foggy? |
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Dimetre
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Battling Jack Murdock
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:46 am Post subject: |
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I would love to see The Jester return to the Daredevil comic book! Great villain!
And I think that they could really create a fantastic story line using one of my all time favorites, The Owl.
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theunrealstudios
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| Hate to be "that guy" to spoil the news but Jester was killed in a sewer during Civil War when he was trying to kill spiderman for leaving pro registration. Jester died when he and Jack o lantern took several shots to the head by the Punisher's assault rifle. If they want to make a new jester they can and they could make him badass and cool but as for the old one, he's six feet under sewage guys. |
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Pete
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| theunrealstudios wrote: | | Hate to be "that guy" to spoil the news but Jester was killed in a sewer during Civil War when he was trying to kill spiderman for leaving pro registration. Jester died when he and Jack o lantern took several shots to the head by the Punisher's assault rifle. If they want to make a new jester they can and they could make him badass and cool but as for the old one, he's six feet under sewage guys. |
Umm..this IS the Marvel Universe we're talking about! Do you really want a list of the good guy's bad guys who've 'come back from the dead' over the years?
Shots to the head in some silly Marvel crossover or not, if the will is there from a writer/artist to bring the original character back, then it could happen. And should, IMO. |
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Blind Devil
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I think they should bring the Owl back as a primary vilain, my 2 cents  |
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The Overlord
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| theunrealstudios wrote: | | Hate to be "that guy" to spoil the news but Jester was killed in a sewer during Civil War when he was trying to kill spiderman for leaving pro registration. Jester died when he and Jack o lantern took several shots to the head by the Punisher's assault rifle. If they want to make a new jester they can and they could make him badass and cool but as for the old one, he's six feet under sewage guys. |
I heard the one that died in Civil War wasn't Jonathan Powers, but was an impostor. So you could still have Powers back in DD.
Anyway on a more general note, its good that people have stated which villains should appear in DD, but is there anything in particular that should be done with them, to revamp. I think to bring some of these characters back, Waid or some other writer will have come up with a unique story with them, something that hasn't been done with them before.
Lets look at some of the character choices to bring back, with say Matador, I would say the original Matador should stay retired and Waid should develop the new Matador created by Brubaker, that could be interesting, it would fun to learn more about him.
Now with Stilt-Man, that would be a bit tricky. Wilbur Day is dead and frankly I don't see much of a reason to bring him back, he got a funeral and everything, so I think the character got a decent send off. Wilbur Day never really made sense as a character, his back story never made sense, they never provided us with a good reason why he was a criminal, so he became a silly one dimensional joke.
There have been two other Stilt-Mans who have appeared since Wilbur's death, one Michael Watts, a criminal so stupid that Rhino convinced Punisher to share his life because he is more stupid then threatening. It be hard developing him into a believable threat. There is another Stilt-Man who is around, who upgraded the Stilt-Man armour and who's identity is still unknown, perhaps something could be done with him. Anyway I think Waid or some other writer would have dig deep to make Stilt-Man work as a modern DD villain, its not impossible, but it is difficult.
Now as Owl, I thought he always worked best as someone who is rival to Kingpin as the number one crime boss, but could never take the number one spot because he is far more unstable then Fisk, if Owl is another calm and in control crime boss, he is just a Kingpin clone, but making him far more reckless and unstable then Kingpin makes him more. Kingpin is more powerful but in certain way Owl is more dangerous because he cares far less about the consequences of his actions and is willing to do more overt things and be more hands on then Fisk is.
Owl doesn't care if people like him, he wants to feared rather then respected and he has no real pretenses of being a legitimate business man. He should be like Tommy from Good Fellas, willing to kill at the drop of a hat from extremely petty reasons. Owl has good lawyers and good crews to clean up the evidence so he doesn't care if people think he is a criminal, if people can't prove it in court, he is untouchable. Owl shouldn't be stupid, but I like him best when he is nuts. He should have an predator like cunning that is undermined somewhat by a savage temper. |
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