Daredevil Message Board

[Disco_Stu]

Don't get me wrong I love the current book by Mark Waid but does anyone else kinda already miss the dark and "noirish" book? I think it would be cool if Marvel would make a 2nd book, something like they did with Punisher Max.
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[Daredevil24]

As one of the very few who don't like the current series, sign me up.I would love a Daredevil max.

[theunrealstudios]

I only want to see Daredevil Max if it got really realistic on his fight against the Hand ninja and Kingpins mob with a realistic spin on classic villains. Batman meets Punisher with heavy duty equipment such as body armor and other military pieces, more focus on the Japanese angle and to warrant the max title Daredevil would kill (within reason and when warranted) with the billy clubs, a katana and if they really wanted a nod to frank miller would be him carrying a bow. for the villains i was thinking A katana fight with the matador would be epic, jester could be a John Wayne Gacy style rapist, bullet could be the local muscle who reminds Matt of his dads enforcer days, Bullseye could have trained with the Hand along with Elektra and Matt, take away the superpowers and you could leave Typhoid Mary the way she is.

That's all i have for now i guess. Due to the recent popularity of Daredevil knowing marvel he's likely going to get another series just like Deadpool and wolverine.

[Dimetre]

[Sewersaint]

I'd be in for a Daredevil MAX title too. I'm suprised Marvel hasn't already tried to get a regular DD book on the markets. Maybe it's because they don't want to dilute what's be good for so long. Nah, that can't be it.

I've disagreed with the UnrealStudios about the direction of a possible MAX title in another thread. Suffice to say I would shy away from the MAX violence approach and deal more with real world crimes and tragedies. However, I do think Matt's faith in the system can and should be tested greatly. To quote Eastwood - "It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have." Isn't putting somebody in prison for life the same thing? And if it's anything like Oz maybe it's even worse. Shouldn't Matt question a system like that?

[Dimetre]

[theunrealstudios]

okay let me elaborate on my direction because it wouldn't just be ninja punisher. Take the idea of tim burtons batman, MSJ daredevil and franks miller MWF matt murdock. All self defense kills and the occasional death here and there. I mean out of 10 guys all wielding guns 2 will bite the dust. Arrows go into the joints and swords slice gun barrels and small take down cuts but occasionally a hostage taker takes a throwing star to the face. Or on a road to eliminate a chain of command of villains in the mob he finds redemption and puts Fisk away instead of killing him. You still have faith in the system as Matt Murdock but it WARRANTS a max title otherwise there's no point. He's not OUR 616 Murdock he's an alternate universe Murdock anyways. No one here wants to see Daredevil as more of a traditional ninja for 12 issues? What is the point of having Matt Murdock in Max if he himself isn't adapted differently to the book to make it unique? A writer would want to try something new anyways. Otherwise just wait until 616 is back to being dark. MAX gives you freedoms to try new things. Punisher got even darker and deadpool got crazier because they have that potential. Daredevil on it's own does NOT need a max title the same way batman doesn't need a max title as it was already dark. If you just want intense course language, sex and gore without Matt being a person that would fit the universe then that's not being realistic. It's like asking Spiderman to be in max while still being "friendly neighborhood" and not adapting to change. What to take away from this: i personally just want to see Daredevil as a classic kimono / body armor wearing ninja. He could non lethally take down enemies like a 80's or 90's television snake eyes or wolverine sporting bladed weapons sure okay. I'd like to see the character with an eastern Japanese flavor for this book i sappose is what i'm getting at. Kill, don't kill, whatever, i just want to see a new interpretation of the character externally and internally otherwise i'll pull out my bendis and brubaker volumes from my shelf and just read that.

[Sewersaint]

Wow, theunrealstudios, thanks for elaborating. I see where you're coming from now, using the Max title as a what-if/Elseworlds/Ultimates alternatve DD. It'd be really interesting to see how your version of DD vs the Jester would play out. You'd have an edgier Matt, who I think would still have a moral compass but when confronted by the atrocities committed by the Jester how does react. Intriguing.

Obviously I still prefer my take on how to use the Max title. It doesn't utilise the format as much as your version does but I see it as giving us a chance to have our cake and eat it too. Regular DD for the costumed stuff and Max DD for the crimes you see on the news. I understand we can wait until DD gets darker again by why should we when we can have both. I think of it as the difference between Law & Order and Law & Order:SVU.

Oh and Dimetre, I find it odd people bring up Shadowland as the instance where Matt crosses a line in terms of killing. Did nobody buy the point one issue? At the end of that I don't think Matt is that naive that he doesn't know what's going to happen when he leaves the room. Even if he doesn't, he's still got super-hearing (like Superman, check out his first movie for the connection), which means he hears what happens. Doesn't Matt think he's directly responsible for what happens? Also why doesn't anybody feel bad for Hand ninjas? They get killed all the time.

[Dimetre]

[Sewersaint]

Actually I meant right at the end of the issue. ***SPOILER ALERT***





Last page, Matt reveals that Black Spectre broke the pact and then swings out the window. The Black Spectre representative is then fired upon by the other four representatives. I assume this happens immediately after Matt exits the room and would be well within earshot of these events. Now Matt might not have pulled the trigger but he sure did manipulate the scenario to a particular outcome.

[Dimetre]