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What is DD to you?

 
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ninjacop
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:40 pm    Post subject: What is DD to you? Reply with quote

Hi all

I'm personally loving the current run on DD and think it is the best since Bendis and Maleev left. However i'm getting the feeling on the board and across the web that alot of people aren't that keen on it.

Then it occured to me, DD is like Doctor Who or James Bond, everybody has their 'favourite', and with each new run by a writer/artist team there is almost a new DD.

My question is what is DD to you if not the current run, what defines DD. For me it is Bendis/Maleev but I love the current run because it is so refreshing after a decade of grim and gritty DD.

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Pete
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daredevil to me is the guy I read for the first time way back in 1973! It was a reprint of DD #1 by Lee/ Everett and that is the version thats stuck with me.

Everything else since are just variations or interpretations of that guy, some good, some not so good.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started reading Daredevil in the Brubaker era (with a few minor exceptions), but I have read some of the Bendis stories as well. Both writers had a similar take on the character of DD; a man tenacious beyond all else, but with a definite self-destructive streak. They had taken the gritty Daredevil story about as far as it could go, so it was definitely time for a change. In general, Mark Waid has done a great job of re-inventing DD (or at least returning him to his pre-Miller roots).

The things that bother me about Waid's tenure are these; he didn't follow up on many of the story threads after "Shadowland", he has neglected many of Daredevil's associates, and he has moved towards more of a mainstream superhero story instead of the street-level adventures from before. These changes seem calculated to bring DD to a wider audience (which seems to be working!) but I have been a bit put off by it. Just the same, one can't wallow in misery forever, so maybe it's all for the best.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first DD comic was a Lee/Wood reprint book, but I think I relate more to the O'Neil/Mazzucchelli run, since that's when I started collecting monthly. But as I've worked forwards and backwords getting all the issues, it's really opened my eyes to all the talent that has worked on this title.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendis is my favorite DD scribe. But to say his version of Daredevil is my definition of Daredevil would be wrong.

Cliché as it may sound. Life is like a wheel indeed. Your at the bottom one day, on the top the next, and may be possessed by a demon tomorrow. With Waid's run, Matt seems to be at the top right now, and to say he climbed up from the very bottom and maid that wheel turn is an understatement. That man suffered! I love Waid's run because he is just giving Matt his overdue happy go lucky life, less trials and tribulations. But being estranged from your bestfriend and not being able to do anything about it is quite a hard blow. He might not be getting the punches he got during Bendis and Brubaker's run, but Waid is starting to turn that wheel yet again from what I can see.

Writers all over can write DD however they want. But they should not stop writing stories where Matt overcomes the challenges set forth to him. Because that is what Matt is, that is what DD should be. Someone or something that will overcome anything no matter how crazy life gets.
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Darkdevil
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuljit Mithra wrote:
My first DD comic was a Lee/Wood reprint book, but I think I relate more to the O'Neil/Mazzucchelli run, since that's when I started collecting monthly. But as I've worked forwards and backwords getting all the issues, it's really opened my eyes to all the talent that has worked on this title.


A spot-on statement. I think whatever version of DD you first read, that is your DD, what drew you into the character and his world and made you want to continue reading of them.

For me, that would be Miller, O'Neill, and Mazz. But as you said, as I've read more of past issues, I'm learning of the talented creators who have each added to the DD mythos.

Although as I've admitted previously in other threads, I'm still on the fence about Bendis. I've read of his propensity for ignoring various bits of continuity in favor of whatever the current story requires, but should it matter if he ignored say, a panel or line of dialogue from 1975 if the end result is an entertaining and engaging story?
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AP
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronald wrote:
.....a man tenacious beyond all else, but with a definite self-destructive streak... Ron


That sounds pretty accurate to me. My favorite iteration of the character is Miller's, but Waid's is a close second.

For me, one of the defining characteristics that is often overlooked or ignored by writers is DD's sense of humor. The humor that I think suits him best is the wry, witty humor introduced after the Stan Lee era, not the Spidey wisecracking copycat crap Stan saddled him with. Miller got it and Waid definitely gets it, but it is something that most writers overlook, especially the past few years. I absolutely love the inner monologue that Waid writes for Matt because at some point he always showcases that wonderful humor that Matt possesses. For me, it makes him more relateable and believeable and not some humorless, cardboard boy scout.

The grim and gritty stories are great, but without a little humor to lighten things occasionally, you get a one-dimensional character that, in my opinion, is boring and difficult to feel for. That's a huge reason why I just don't quite enjoy the Bendis/Brubaker era as much as others. They often leave out one of the most essential characteristics that humans possess. It really doesn't take much, a little subtle humor here and there goes a long way. Miller certainly got it. Go back and look, his run isn't quite as dark as you think.
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