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Forrest · Lowlife Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439

What do you kids think and why?

Personally, I think Fall from Grace and Tree of Knowledge were brilliant! Their problem/brilliance was that they don't read like most comics. Fall from Grace is actually better the second time I read it because Chichester overhypes his big stories and it gets distracting. However, once I already know what will happen, the story is enthralling!

The only part of this armor costume era that I really hated was the way it ended. J.M. DeMatteis didn't know what he was doing. He was thrown into the book due to Marvel business reasons, and he jumped on the story with [spoiler:3de531c1bf]a spontaneous DD mental breakdown.[/spoiler:3de531c1bf] It was ridiculous!

Anyway, I dug it and I really wish Chichester could have stayed on the book long enough to bring back Matt Murdock properly.

rgj · Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:51 pm Post subject:

Loved Fall From Grace? Tought the armoured costume rocked? Thought J.M. DeMatteis didn't know what he was doing? Used the word "ridiculous"?

james?? C'mon, no fair posting with two different names! Smile

While FFG and (to a greater extent) TOK were really disappointing for me, I think that, overall, Chichester was an amazing writer. I think issues #292-300 were just brilliant and rivals anything great that ever graced the pages of DD (yes, that means classic Miller stuff). I have said this before, but no writer (and I mean NO writer) ever articulated Matt's hyper-senses the way Chichester did. With D.G. you always knew that Matt was blind and his window to the world was something special and often times fragile. No one has ever written Matt's senses better than Chichester. And, I loved that Chichester wrote Matt as a man in control of things (which, of course, DeMatties ultimately underminded) and not just blowing in the winds of unfortunate circumstances and sorrow.

rgj

Forrest · Lowlife Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439

james castle · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:47 am Post subject:

Run, Forrest, run. Woowoo. As predicted, I'm with Forrest. Fall From Grace was great. It was great. DeMattis' "fix" was ridiculous, childish and stupid. In response to rgj: I bet the reason that my new best friend Forrest used the same word I do concerning the whole DeMattis mess is because it actually was objectively ridiculous.

Um. So that's my ridiculously predictable 2 cents.
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Daredevi1 · Flying Blind Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Posts: 20

well, i really liked FFG and the black costume. it`s true, all of marvel characters were having a "costume crisis" through those years, but the change DD made had perfect sense. His old red costume was destroyed ( i really liked issue 2 when he fights silver sabre), and he nedeed extra armor and weapons (c`mon the billyclubs-staff-nunchacks rocked!!!)
DG chichester did an excelent job because the story was really great and it brought back elektra in a really excelent twist and now we even have her in a movie.
The costume was awesome but i had the trouble that only scott mac daniel was able to draw it perfect.(maybe ron wagner too)
TOK wasn`t that good but much better than what came later ( pahantom`s Humanity , Kruel??, di matteis, etc) but by that time DD was down the drain around even close to fall beneath the 100 most sold comics until the kevin smith-quesada relaunch.
I read an interview of DG chisterter a while ago in this site telling why did he had to leave DD and what he was expecting to do with him to bring him back to the red costume around #350, well in my modest opinion , instead of reading all the bad writing that came after TOK , i think that the Chisterter-mc daniel team was much better.
And for the "bubleboy" DD in new avengers i rather have him in the secret war costume.
and why i like the DD-New avenger idea? because is so much better to have him twice an month than once a month.

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Forrest · Lowlife Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439

who cares? · Flying Blind Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 35

the costume looked pretty cool, but i think the story (Fall from Grace) was bad...

i didnt even finish reading that book.... it was like torture... i couldnt bear to read the last issue... there were TOO MANY characters in the story, you couldnt tell what the hell was going on (but that was partly because of the art as well), and the story in general was just bad.... not my taste...
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Slim · Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:12 pm Post subject:

I really liked FALL FROM GRACE.

It didnt feel like a daredevil story in many places, which creativley is a GOOD thing. And i liked the costume. I wouldnt have liked it to be a permanent change, but for the purposes of the story i liked it.

I dont know anybody who would argue that what followed it, with the 'fix', worked. It should have been done differently.

But i think both writers -as with all others- were cut down by the Miller problem. Damned if you do, damned if you dont; change the formula and you're messing with a classic charachter and disrespecting continuity, follow the formula and you're a derivative imitation.
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Darediva · Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 3:38 pm Post subject:

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the gael · Playing to the Camera Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 119

Well, in fact I don't like the whole chichester's stuff. No, I HATE the whole chichester's stuff.
Yes, his vision of the radar sense was impressive, but what about the story ?

the black armour wasn't bad, but it didn't look what a devil should look ( thanks to McDaniel, DD seems to have a rat head ! ).
The whole Jack Battling story was infamous. For no reason ( yes, you wil say " Matt identity was exposed " but come on, who could believe that a blind lawyer can be a masked vigilante after what he and ben did in the end... ) Matt faked his death and become that Jack Battling.

What a terrible idea ! DD is about law and justice. Matt was and IS that, Jack Battling wasn't. I hope that Bendis has learned from this mistake.

Look at the whole chichester run : every episode, DD fight the villian of the week with some guest star ( the more guest star, the best the book is for D G ). Venom appeared one or two issue and disappeared after an unfinished fight that DD was near to win. Has this any sense ?

I am a huge Miller, Nocenti and now Bendis fan, but what chichester did nearly killed DD for me. It wasn't the same character and hasn't any interest.

DeMattis' "fix" was ridiculous, childish and stupid, Yes, but for what I have seen, it was impossible to bring back Matt Murdock and the red costume after what chichester did.

Have I forgotten something ? Oh Yes, chichester killed for no reason Glorianna O'Breen !

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