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Punisher74
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What? He's not drunk in Secret Wars. It doesn't even show him drinking. Unless you're talking about the New Secret Wars.
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Born Again
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| No, secret war. Not wars. The new one is singular. How is that? Oh yeah, the X-men suck most of the time. Hate New X-men. It's terrible when they fight aliens and crap. I just want good old Charlie and Angel and Beast fighting Magneto. That's good X-men. I don't even like Dark Phoenix. That space stuff has no place. I hear Whedon's good, but New X-men has me doubtful. |
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james castle
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Born Again wrote: | | No, secret war. Not wars. The new one is singular. How is that? Oh yeah, the X-men suck most of the time. Hate New X-men. It's terrible when they fight aliens and crap. I just want good old Charlie and Angel and Beast fighting Magneto. That's good X-men. I don't even like Dark Phoenix. That space stuff has no place. I hear Whedon's good, but New X-men has me doubtful. |
Look, I take it from some of your other posts that you may be on the young side. Your "vision" for a new DD movie is nice and I'm sure you mean well but it's, well, young.
That said, maybe you're just not ready for New X-Men (or X-Men for that matter). If you don't like the Dark Phoenix Saga then you don't like the X-Men. X-Men in all it's forms has always been about high drama. Characters interacting with each other in a realistic way while dealing with ridiculously unrealistic situations. The Dark Phoenix Saga is a prime example, if not the greatest example, of how this works.
The genius of Morrisson is that he took a step back and said "you know what? Dark Phoenix Saga was pretty messed up". It was about battles on the dark side of the moon and the cosmic force of the Phoenix and an ancient Hell Fire Club. It was about big ideas. So he wrote New X-Men and wrote some big ideas of his own and that's why it's so genius. At first it isn't the same old, same old but when you see Zorn and Cyclops escaping an exploding space ship you know something's right.
Two other points:
1. As far as I know there's never been an issue in which "good old Charlie and Angel and Beast" have fought Magneto (who, I might point out, has a base in and lived in space for a while).
2. In contrast, the X-Men have gone to space in Claremont's run, Morrisson's run, Brubaker's run and, as I understand it, are on their way their in Whedon's run. So even though space has "no place" in your version of "good X-Men" four of the greatest X-Men authors of all time (including THE X-Men auther (Claremont)) disagree.
You don't like space, you don't like X-Men.
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Born Again
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The 60's X-men were good. After Krakoa, little keeps my interest.
Check what I found:
Silver Samurai plunges sword in Woverine's neck - Uncanny #173
T-Rex eats Wolverine - Wolverine: The Jungle Adventure
^ Savage Land: also why I mostly hate X-men, along with Mojo world
The famous Magneto ripping out his skeleton X-men #25
Thanos makes Logan this bag of flesh, blood, and guts in Infinity Gauntlet #4
Punisher vol. 3 #17 - Frank steamrolls him
Uncanny #162 - Brood fetus (ugh!)
Uncanny Annual #1 Horde rips out Wolvie's heart. |
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james castle
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Born Again wrote: | | The 60's X-men were good. After Krakoa, little keeps my interest. |
Oh please. Do you even know how many issues of "60's X-Men" there were my dear boy? 66. New X-Men lasted 41 issues for crying out loud. 66 and that's it. Do you know why there were only 66? Because the series got cancelled. Why? Because it sucked. Now, I seriously doubt you've read much if any of the early X-Men so let me fill you in: they were a boring team with boring villians and were functionally no different than the Avengers. Actually, they were a lot more boring than the Avengers because, for the most part, they lacked origins. In fact, Stan Lee has said that he like the idea of having a team of mutants because it would spare him from having to come up with original origins for each character.
In any event, maybe you like boring comics but it is ridiculous to slag an X-Men comic because it's post-all-new-all-different. They're virtually all all-new-all-different. There were 66 "early" X-Men issues (prior to the series being cancelled for god's sake). Post? Hmmmm. Well, Uncanny is at 482. X-Men is at 193. Heck the old X-Factor got up to around 150. And that's not even counting New Mutants, X-Force, the new X-Factor, ,Astonishing, Exiles, Generation X, Wolverine titles etc., etc..
The "60's X-Men" (which...again, was cancelled) probably make up something like 1-5% of the total X-Men mythos. Saying you don't like the modern X-Men because it's not like the 60's run is like saying you don't like pizza because it's not sand.
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Born Again
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| The FF never truly changed and they're still awesome. I wish the original Avengers line-up had never changed either. How are Magneto, his children, Toad, Juggernaut, and Sentinels boring compared to what came after? And that psychotic Summers family tree? Disgusting. |
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james castle
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Dude, it was cancelled. It was bad. Honestly have you read the early X-Men? A lot of the plot revolves around a horribly written love triangle between Jean, Scott and Professor X (now that's disgusting).
As for the villians you rattle off: Magneto was a shadow of his former self back then. He was a crazy dude in a purple cape. Nothing like the character we have now. Same with the Sentinals. Toad sucked then and sucks now.
Looks, it's ridiculous to argue that the clearly subpar first 66 issues of X-Men are in any way superior to what came after. You clearly haven't read much X-Men either before or after it was originally cancelled after only 66 issues.
Now, shouldn't you get back to writing really bad fan fic?
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Born Again
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| They should have kept that love triangle... |
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Francesco
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| james castle wrote: |
Now, shouldn't you get back to writing really bad fan fic? |
Geez, you're making it quite personal. That's hitting below the belt. |
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james castle
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| Francesco wrote: | | james castle wrote: |
Now, shouldn't you get back to writing really bad fan fic? |
Geez, you're making it quite personal. That's hitting below the belt. |
Hitting below the belt would be going on the other thread and making detailed comments with regard to his "vision" for a DD movie. So far I've restrained myself from doing that.
And, even though I may be hitting very close the belt his short, too-cool-for-school remarks are dismissive and insulting so I don't mind giving a little back.
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hylozoii
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| james castle wrote: | | Look, I take it from some of your other posts that you may be on the young side. Your "vision" for a new DD movie is nice and I'm sure you mean well but it's, well, young. |
| james castle wrote: | | Oh please. Do you even know how many issues of "60's X-Men" there were my dear boy? |
| james castle wrote: | | Dude, it was cancelled. |
What are you? A 45 year old Canadian hippie? You must love attention because you keep belittling people by calling them children. I think we now know you are a level 12 historical scribe of all things old and new that is X-Men.
The guy gave his opinion. Give your opinion without being a jackass. |
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rgj
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| hylozoii wrote: | | The guy gave his opinion. Give your opinion without being a jackass. |
Ouch! That's like slapping Bruce Banner. The fireworks are comming. Me thinks KM is about to get the lock out! But, please, let jc respond first!!!
"Let him have it. It's not wise to upset a Wookiee."--Han Solo to C-3PO.
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james castle
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| hylozoii wrote: |
What are you? A 45 year old Canadian hippie? You must love attention because you keep belittling people by calling them children. I think we now know you are a level 12 historical scribe of all things old and new that is X-Men.
The guy gave his opinion. Give your opinion without being a jackass. |
Shouldn't you be off trying your darnedest to figure out this whole "Watchmen" dealie?
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Francesco
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| An innocent, semi-serious topic about Wolverine has to be ruined and locked because some guys can't refrain from being offensive and have to -gasp- wittingly argue on a message board to prove that their opinon on "what the X-men are and what aren't" is not debateable. |
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james castle
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Francesco wrote: | | An innocent, semi-serious topic about Wolverine has to be ruined and locked because some guys can't refrain from being offensive and have to -gasp- wittingly argue on a message board to prove that their opinon on "what the X-men are and what aren't" is not debateable. |
I'm just expressing my opinion. What's wrong with that? Aren't I entitled to an opinion? I can't believe some people on this board (i.e. Francesco) can be so intolerant when it comes to other people having opinions. It's your way or the highway, huh?
PS Nice witty use of "-gasp-" and itallics.
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