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[james castle]

[Gloria]

I was considering levels of strenghth, extra powers, etc... more than situation in the stablishment, in the sense that Natasha's got average human strenghth and skills but improved by training, etc... In that sense, if we obliterate the senses & radar, Matt is otherwise an ordinary human being (no extra strentgh). Peter Parker, on the other hand, has the proportional strenghth of a Spider, etc, so I meant he's more super in that sense.

Of course, Peter's social background and average Joe personality is closer to Matt's than Natasha's "International Woman of Mistery" gimmick, of course (the difference being that Peter hardly seems to leave the middle class in which he grew up in Queens, while Matt has become a sucessful professional who's left behind a poorer childhood in Hell's Kitchen)
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Gloria
Devuélveme el rosario de mi madre y quédate con todo lo demás

"Para la cuesta arriba quiero mi burro, que la cuesta abajo yo me la subo"

[james castle]

[Francesco]

Sometimes, deconstructing a single post with multiple quotes can backfire...

[james castle]

[jumonji]

[Francesco]

Yeah, I know. Peter being middle class? Fighting street-level? Who can tell (especially these days)?

Anyway I just wanted to point that the apparent contradiction in the first part of Gloria's post was explained in the second part.

[james castle]

jumonji: well, I start post now and again. I started the "show downs" for heaven's sake. That aside, though, maybe the real solution is to stand aside and not get involved in the "how much does Matt weigh?" discussions.

Francesco: Not really. The first post was "spider-man is cosmic and black widow is street-level". I said "um, no". The second post said "okay, well I'm all the sudden only talking about strength AND the real difference is the money they make" and I said "um, no". The second para didn't explain the first; it just replaced one thing that made no sense with another.
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JC

So why can't you see the funny side?
Why aren't you laughing?

[jumonji]

[Gloria]

[Katerine]

[jumonji]

[Katerine]

I can't write long, so please bear with me if it doesn't make much sense. Sorry that last night's post didn't make much sense.

To me, a person's true personality is best indicated by how they treat their friends and peers under pressure. Matt is generally pretty nice to his friends (Foggy, Milla, Becky, etc.) but let's take a look at how he treats his peers. This is the behavior I was thinking about last night when I wrote that post.

When Matt is having any kind of difficult time, one of the first things he does is withdraw from his friends. He doesn't do this the way I would do it (just try to avoid them) - no, he actively goes out of his way to make them go away, by being as hostile and often downright vicious as humanly possible. He does it with all of the other superheroes (Luke, Reed, etc.), but it's especially evident when it comes to the way he treats Spidey (a truly "nice" person).

In particular, check out the attempted "intervention" at the beginning of "The King Of Hell's Kitchen" arc ("and then all of your so-called 'friends'..."). Also see Matt's behavior during the Chichester era when Spidey tries to come to him for help. As well as his jumping down Spidey's throat for every little thing during the "Spiderman/Daredevil" joint story (forget what it's called).

And that's all I have time to write right now. But hopefully it'll make it a little clearer where I'm coming from.

[Gloria]

Well, it can be regarded in different ways: with such a long story -as a character- and so diverse authors, the character has seen different interpretations.

[harryhausen]

Man, I don’t think Matt is nice or approachable or even friendly at all. Anyway you slice it, he’s brusque and gruff. He’s a scary loner who beats people senseless almost every night. He pushes himself beyond his limits again and again and heaps the same troubles on all his friends and loved ones.

Sure, he’s honorable and has a mission (like my man, Batman – another really scary loner), but on the micro-level of social interaction, he leaves a lot wanting. I know the depiction has varied from writer to writer, but even at parties and whatnot he’s always trying to leave and complaining to the girl who dragged him there and disagreeing with people (moralizing, even).

I like this aspect about him. He’s obsessed and driven and stubborn. Prickly. I mean, if you were a normal human in the MU, I wager you wouldn’t be quick to approach a dude in a devil suit crouched on a rooftop in the rain. Especially if you knew that guy beat up tons of people each week. If you were another hero in the MU, Matt’s rarely been friendly or inclined to join teams or share information. He keeps to the Kitchen and fights alone. He doesn’t talk much to you, faces the other way. He’s laconic and that’s being kind. [Again, I think this is like Batman, but Matt’s not as overtly sharp-tongued.] If one were a cosmic-powered hero, one might just ignore Matt. If one were a street-level hero, one might leave him to his neighborhood and avoid him.

Lastly, even in the law practice, I think that Matt’s been aloof and conflicted about/to his clients. Foggy’s the nice one, the one you would talk to you, if you wandered in there. Of course, you’d also be distracted by the black eyes, split lips and other signs of a recent beating that his blind partner is exhibiting. And, say, that dude’s in great shape for a blind guy. He’s ripped.

Summary: Matt is respected more than he is liked.