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james castle · Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject:

[int. Nelson and Murder. There's a knock at the door.]

Matt: I wonder who's there.

[Matt answers the door. Standing in the doorway is Karen.]

Karen: I have bird flu.

Matt: What? You have...? How is this possible?

[Just then Mysterio crashes through the window.]

Mysterio: Now do you see Murdock? I planned it all along. I payed the Kingpin and did all this nonsense so that you would think Karen was dead just so I could bring her back and make you think she had bird flu.

Matt: Make her think she has bird flu? What do you mean by that?

Mysterio: Oh...uh...she doesn't really have bird flu.

Matt: But didn't she just say she did?

Mysterio: Yeah. But, okay, look, she doesn't. I just wanted the shock. But, okay, look, she doesn't have bird flu but for a minute there you thought she did, so I win.

Matt: Win what?

Mysterio: My plan. I win, my plan okay. Ever since Spiderman did something or other I decided to change my master plan to make you think your girlfriend had AIDS and then died and then came back and had bird flu. That was my plan and now I've done it. Okay? I'm leaving.

Matt: That was your plan? All of that?

Mysterio: Yes. Yes it was.

Matt: That makes no sense.

Mysterio: Yeah, well my plan in Guardian Devil didn't make a whole lot of sense either so whatever.

[Mysterio leaves.]

Matt: What's Guardian Devil?
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So why can't you see the funny side?
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Clayton Blind Love · Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject:

Of course you know that she never had AIDS to begin with right? And you know that this was set up so that Matt's world would come apart. The illusion was made to add stress to Matt's life. It was the only reason why Karen went back to Matt. And in believing that she had AIDS, Karen had a responsibility to tell Matt. If she was to have the bird flu, there would be no guarantee for her to return to Matt. She wouldn't need to involve Matt. AIDS would of been the one major disease that made her return and, in fact, involve Matt to be tested and continually tested in the years to come.

C.
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Pete · Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject:

Poor JC. Some vague recollection of Miller dissing 'continuity' used out of context by himself, and then found by KM, and he's out on the town, celebrating some kind of 'victory'. Honestly, his post touches on hysterics, intoxicated by 'sucess' Maybe if he takes the time to read and understand his own post, then place it in context with the Miller interview, he'd spill his beer. It's as if he thinks Miller himself has come riding to his rescue and proved he's right and every one else is wrong (including me, who has directly called him a liar, but more of that later.)

I've read (and understood) a lot of Miller stuff and taken in his thoughts on continuity. It's clear by his own work and his own words he hasn't got much time for it. An interesting early interview I read with him appears in the 'Daredevil Chronicles'. Put into context, here was a guy who was just really starting out on his career on a mainstream superhero title and had taken it into completely uncharted territory. Being inundated by fanboy letters asking for the return of this character/that character/ that bad guy whatever, he was asked what his answer was to people who wanted the whole run of DD to tie into some kind of seemless whole. His answer was emphatic, even for a young guy just starting out; 'forget it'. I'm probably paraphrasing him (like James), but at least this is all in context (unlike James).

Miller simply wasn't beholden to the fact that Gerry Conway did a few DD sci-fi stories .

Now, what we got here. James, your original post please.

james castle · Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject:

I don't get it. Are you saying Frank Miller is in the "dead is dead" crowd? Are you somehow (and unbelievably) saying that deadness is somehow a different kind of fact that sits on some sort of uber continuity level that would escape Miller's general lack of respect for continuity? That's crazy wrong. In any case have we read Dark Knight Returns and DK2? He brings characters back just cuz (and thus still agrees with me (hence me and Frank are still sharing a drink peacefully (?)).

I know it's tough (given the nonexistence of the subject in question) but I'd still like an actual example of my lying as opposed to a vague hand wave.

In any case, you called me a liar and suggested that I had fabricated the Miller quote. I didn't.

Now, there was a thread a while ago when Pete said "I've heard it before and it wasn't funny the first time". I think I made fun of him and was like "whatever". But then Pete pointed out (quite rightly) that the line was the line that followed the line in my signature from A Killing Joke. Given that I was out smarted and that Pete had me dead to rights I admitted both and went on my happy way.

You got caught out Pete. Let's not be a sore loser.
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So why can't you see the funny side?
Why aren't you laughing?

Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

Pete · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject:

Hey JC, judging by your last post your intoxicated euphoric high with the finding of the Miller quote seems to have worn off, let's jaw some more. ( i don't begrudge you your euphoric high BTW, I've been kicking yer ass on this board for years Razz

) Anyway let's keep it in context and answer each others points. Yeah, I know the quote is there, I can concede at least that, but the beauty of it is in the context of this thread and it's sharp division of opinion concerning one particular character it really ain't doin' you any favors. Honestly.

james castle · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject:

Stanley · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject:

KM, I vote that whenever you have to lock this thread...which seems to be an inevitability, whether it's me or not that brings it--we just immediately stick this bad boy in the hall of fame.

(Pete and JC often lock up with each other. I wonder why I've never tangled with either. Not that I want to, but after 3 or 4 years, you'd just think percentages would catch up.)

rgj · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject:

If KM decides to lock anything, perhaps it should be jc and Pete (this thread only, of course), because this thread is damn interesting and it's obvious that Pete and jc have some unfinished business here. Now, don't get me wrong, I'd love to continue reading the back and forth jc and Pete have going (it's damn interesting too!), but I hope this thread isn't locked. Let it die on it's own until it's only Pete and jc going at it (always good stuff) and when they're tired of the whole thing, then it can go into the Hall of Fame, as Stanley suggested.

rgj

fox_limbo · Humanity's Fathom Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Posts: 335

There's a Hall of Fame? Confused

Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

Geez, you guys sure love to get sophisticated.

Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

Anyway, just a few pages back I spotted this:

james castle · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject:

Clayton Blind Love · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject:

I'm the God damn Karen Page! Want a rat sandwich? Yum. Laughing

C.
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