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Forrest · Lowlife Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439

...I'm curious where we stand on this % wise and because we haven't had a poll in a while. Very Happy

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Forrest · Lowlife Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439

FYI, I answered "Yes, and I don't care how."

Sure, I'd like a tight story, and with Brubaker, I am guarenteed to get one, but if she came back in a single issue with a sparse explaination, I'd get over the poor storytelling the very next month, when I read DD with Karen in it. Very Happy

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Pete · Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject:

A message board can never have too many polls Wink

Well, I like DD stories with Karen in. She's a great character full of depth. Forget Elektra, the Widow, Milla. Karen is the love of his life.

But if I want to read a story with her in, I've got the back issues.

She's dead. Killed by Bullseye. If she came back now it would be dumb.

Lundonj · Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject:

If Bucky can return in a cool story, anyone can.

I thought Karen's demise was an empty one, at best. While I don't have to have her back by any means, if it fit in an excellent story, I would certainly accept it.

-Don

Clayton Blind Love · Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject:

I said "No, as in no need to bring her back."

New stories told in past tense can address Karen Page. Like Daredevil: Yellow.

However, if they go the route of Cult of Conner (52) and bring her back with a paper face and body of straw, then I'm all for it. Wink

I join the Cult of Karen then. Until then, ... you're freaks! Razz

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Blind Alley · Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject:

I don't see a good way to bring her back.

Her death was not a great story but her return would be worse.

Imagining some plots :
- It was a skrull, like the Alicia who married Johnny Storm
- Scarlet Witch reappears and says : "No more dead Karen..."
- the Phoenix Force decides to change from redheads to blondes...
- Iron Man had cloned her
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james castle · Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject:

I said "Yes, and I don't care how! Razz

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She's a cool and important character who died a poorly written and pointless death. Someone please explain to me what the hell the AIDS scare was about again?

As for her return, I couldn't care less about whatever" device brings her back. I heard some interviewed with Joss where he was talking about how Colossus came back and he said something like "all that mattered was the moment with Kitty, everything else just had to get them there". I think that's right. If there's a good enough moment I don't care what the backstory is.
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Stanley · Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject:

rgj · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:31 am Post subject:

I feel and voted exactly as Stanley did. That's some brilliant stuff, Stan.

Solid Snake PAC · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:45 am Post subject:

Horrible death or not. She's dead. I would really hate seeing her come back. Bucky's death was known. but was still pretty vague in terms of storytelling. Karen was a full blown billyclub to the chest. And how would you bring her back? Mysticism? It worked with Elektra cuz she was part of that world with the Hand. YES, people have come back from the dead...but some of it was handled in a way that could be believed. Phoenix sure, i can handle it. Bucky, yeah...his death while known had alot of vagueness if you compare it to tales of today. hell Cap...supposedly died..but was frozen. Karen...tell me fellow DD fans, how could someone bring her back to a present setting. True love or not...the girl is dead. Most average humans in the Marvel Uni. stay dead. Heaven forbid Uncle Ben come back...

Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

I voted no, because there's no need to.

I agree that her death was somehow pointless and maybe not well written (yet, her pointless death is what makes her demise even more dramatic, in a certain sense). But there's really no need to bring her back.
That the story can perfectly go on with Matt going forward with his life, keeping the memory of her at his side.

Steve Roberts · Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 11:24 am Post subject:

No, is my answer, don't bring Karen back at all!
How rubbish would that be? Rolling Eyes

When her death appeared, it was shocking, but brilliant, and it would only cheapen the affect to bring her back again.
Short but sweet............NO!!!!!!

Forrest · Lowlife Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439

Forrest · Lowlife Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439

Keep in mind that the return of non-super powered people is not unheard of in comics, nor are the comics inherantly worse off for it.

Aunt May died - I never read this story, so I don't know if she actually died, or if it was a clone, etc. In either case, I doubt many spidey fans today would say they regret her return.

Green Arrow died - ...in this case, he actually did die and then return. I haven't read these stories, either, but I LOVE Meltzer and Winick's Green Arrow, which I wouldn't have if he was still dead...

Admittedly, the return of Jason Todd (2nd Robin) was a little silly in its mechanics, and I wouldn't want to see something like that in DD.

I guess my poll question should be "what if we found out that Karen was never killed in Guardian Devil?"

The body? The world already a body for Matt Murdock, once, but that didn't keep him dead.

In issue #65, why didn't Dr. Strange know Karen had died, when he was appearently at the funeral? This might be a great gateway into some crazy mystical forces, combined with Mysterio's trickery. (Sure, I don't like a lot crazy magic and such in DD, but how else would one return to a story like Guardian Devil. Also, I think Nocenti did a fine job with such topics in her voodoo and Hell stories.)

All I'm saying is there are options. And like other books (Spidey, Green Arrow, etc.), the return of a non-powered human can really bring back elements of a book lost in a shallow marketing ploy.
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Forrest · Lowlife Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439

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