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[Forrest]

Here's an interview from Bendis in which he talks pretty extensively about who will fill in the crime power vaccum that Fisk has left. (Unlike DD's "missing year," this time it sounds like Fisk will be gone for some time and this new crime lord will become very, very powerful.)

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/newavengers/meet_the_new.html

Another telling quote on Fisk's future (and my favorite part of the interview):

Also, I’m sort of responsible for taking Wilson Fisk out of circulation as the Kingpin. My feeling is, for now, we’ve done every 'Kingpin up in his tower' story that can possibly be done. That’s a Frank Miller invention that’s been done to death for 30 years. Eventually we could have him come back, or have someone be a new Kingpin, but it’s still the same idea, it’s just someone else being Wilson Fisk.

But what really needs to be is a new idea, for this Kingpin to have a new agenda – a kingpin of all supervillains is a completely different scenario.

Sounds like we're not getting Fisk back as Kingpin, which is far overdo (sp?) if you ask me. AND we're not getting the Kingpin replacements we saw in the missing year (see "King of Hell's Kitchen" and "DD/Punisher"). Neat!
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[Mr Slaughter]

You know I never tire of that angle on The Kingpin.
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yUP

[Kuljit Mithra]

[rgj]

I think it's halarious what Bendis said about "too many writers using Frank Miller's Kingpin." What? You mean like you did, Brian? Halarious. Look, Bendis was a good writer and all, but he acts as if he's not guilty of what he's claiming. And, you know, it was DAN CHICHESTER who did the ultimate/greatest Matt-takes-down-Kingpin story of all time (LAST RITES). And, as Bendis says that Kingpin is too overexposed in DD, I can't help but chuckle that KP was gone for a LOOOONNNGGG time before Kevin Smith gave him a cameo, Mack officially brought him back and blinded him and then Bendis did his thing. It's great that KP is going away for a while and that Burbaker (or is it Brubaker at all? Bendis makes it sound like a Marvel decision!--sorry, Bru, you write it the way we want!; how sad) can bring new villains into DD's life. I just hope, the way Bendis describes it ("a Kingpin for all supervillains") that it isn't some kind of The Tinkerer (as in Secret War, by Bendis) that is the new Kingpin.

rgj

p.s. Bendis thinks Echo is a great new creation?? I liked her better when she was Taskmaster.

rgj

[nott4141]

I wonder if the new Kingpin will be Echo?

[Forrest]

[The Overlord]

[james castle]

Stephen are you listening? Are you out there? Cuz you don't want to miss this.

I think I've officially lost faith in Bendis. Whatever Bendis once was he's now become little more than a Marvel mouthpiece. I think the cracks started to show (for me at least) starting with the whole Ronin nonsense. That whole thing was just ridiculous. Then I read House of M (which sucked). Then Bendis goes on record about how great Echo is (hint: she sucks). Now this? rgj is 100% right. Chichester is the only person to have done Kingpin any justice since Miller. Nocenti did him justice too but she did so by writing around him for most of her run (and then supplying a kick ass moment with him just as she bowed) so it doesn't really count. And then when Chichester had the Kingpin fall he did so in such a way as it made sense. Ever since then he's been kinda limping around. If I have to read one more story about Kingpin "working his way up" again just to get knocked down in some sad way I'm going to throw up all over the place.

So yeah, when Bendis is like "hey I have a good idea, let's leave Kingpin out of it for a while" you just want to say "oh, like Nocenti did...without making a huge deal about it?".

As for this New Kingpin business. Bleech. Oh, so Bendis had a wonderful idea for a new Kingpin did he? And who did he choose? What? He choose one of BKV's creations? Well, isn't that fortunate. I mean, who is BKV? Oh he's one of the hottest creators right now? Oh, he's writing one of the best Vertigo series since Preacher (though, for my money Fables is better) and another critially acclaimed series for Wildstorm? I didn't notice. What? Runaways? He created Runaways? Well he didn't write one of the best OGNs in recent memory did he? Oh he did? Man, wow, what luck.

Any press conference proclaiming a New Kingpin is suspect from the beginning. When Bendis starts name dropping BKV the eyes begin to roll back in the head.

I think Ronin should be the new Kingpin.
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So why can't you see the funny side?
Why aren't you laughing?

[rgj]

Just to add to what jc was saying, I'm really losing faith in Marvel.

Everything (from the Ronin crap; the Avengers disasembled and "new" and "imporved" version of the team--with Wolverine, no less!; House of M; Civil War with it's absurd premise and foundation; Thuderbolts; and now the "ramifications" of Civil Crap--with a "new" and "improved" Avengers! team--with Wolverine, no less!; and Spidey in the black suit just in time for the movie!; and, if that weren't enough, a new and improved super-juiced Kingpin--that has everyone "sh*tting in their super tights") Marvel does is just transparently gimmicky.

We have Brubaker saying how it's NOW illegal for Matt to be a vigilante (didn't james castle already explain how it was "illegal" to begin with??). And, Brubaker will be chained and constrained to the wishes of Marvel eggheads on who the new main villains (Kingpin) will be as a result to the God awful and logcially flawed story of Civil Crap. And, the villain will be chosen based on Bendis's obsession with noir/crime dramas and the heiarchy of the mafia --yeah, we get it Brian, you saw the Godfather movies too many times.

And, of course Bendis is now throwing Wilson Fisk (who does need a break from DAREDEVIL) under the bus because he is an old (30 years, did he say?), overused Miller character that needs to be replaced with some superpowerd guy--and Bendis is smuggly taking credit for this. Funny how Bendis still uses Elektra. Isn't she an old, overused Miller character too?

Anwyay, I'm a little worried about the future of Marvel as it pertains to holding my interest. I've already dropped all the Spiedy mags, 'cause of Civil War. And, now it looks like DD is going to be affected, I just hope Bru continues to write good tales despite the ideas that are being dictated to him. I guess we'll see what happens.

Seriously, ever go to the comic shop and hear a gaggle of 13 year old comic geeks talking how they would change stuff if they were in charge at Marvel?? I think those guys grew up.

rgj

[The Overlord]

Now to be fair this Hood storyline is taking place in the New Avengers, Brubaker might just ignore it and decide to do his own thing in the DD title. I think Brubaker deserves a little faith after the great DD stories he has delivered so far, I believe he will deliver great DD stories whether they deal with Civil war or the Hood or not deal with ideas at all.

I still think Kingpin is overexposed in recent years (that is Bendis' fault, ironically) and he a needs take a vacation for a few years in order to avoid becomming stale. Seriously Fisk is going to rebuild his empire for a third time? What if DD overthrows him again? How many times can same guy rebuild a criminal empire only to be overthrown. I don't see what the problem is with Brubaker giving Kingpin a time out so he can develop his own villains, try to make his individual mark on the title rather recycling the same stories and characters every DD writer for the past 20 years has been using.

Remember Kingpin and Bullseye were kinda lame before Miller revamped them, why not let Brubaker try and revamp some other villains?

[james castle]

[rgj]

[The Overlord]

[Sandman]

I actually read The Hood mini-series when it came it out. I thought it was pretty enjoyable and wanted to see more of the character. I picked up Beyond! simply on the grounds that The Hood was in it as well.

While Beyond was enjoyable, it didn't accurately portray The Hood as he had been in his mini. It seemed that all he did in Beyond was shoot at things lamely and miss.

So I've had hopes that The Hood would be used again, and admittedly, I'd like to see the character succeed -just because I enjoyed the mini so much.

-BUT - I can't see any way at all that he should become the new master villain. -He has wits compared to no-brainers like Constrictor and Shocker, but to put him up against THE AVENGERS!?!?!?! Even being a fan of the character, I absolutely cringe at Bendis' new ideas for him. He's a villain with the desire to be an up and comer, but this is out of his league. It's like saying Foggy upholds the law so he should lead SHIELD.

[Forrest]

rgj and jc, all I have to say is "52."

I did a complete 180 from Marvel to DC, the year when Marvel was doing House of M and DC was doing the Infinite Crisis build up. Don't get me wrong, I don't think a reader should pick one company or the other but it was just coincidence that one started getting worse while the other starting tearing it up. Sure, 2006 was a bit rough for DC but the overall game plan has always been trying to put out good comics and 2007 is going to be one heck of a rebound for DC. Meanwhile, Marvel is slipping further and further into hollow gimmicks (e.g. too many examples to list but I can't resist bringing up Thunderbolts again ). Sure, they're making tons of cash with shallow marketing but then again, so did the Backstreet Boys.

....sorry, my soapbox.
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