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luca82
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:37 pm    Post subject: Decalogue Reply with quote

can anyone explain to me what the hell the Decalogue story arc was all about ??
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was about Daredevil, if I recall correctly...
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ha very funny, but seriously what the **** is it about
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Francesco wrote:
It was about Daredevil, if I recall correctly...


I'm not so sure about that actually. Smile

I really like most of Bendis's run (although I'm actually glad I wasn't around for it until after the fact since it's a little too decompressed for my taste), but the Decalogue arc was probably the low point. Here's my theory though: random people show up for a support group meeting where they recount their encounters with DD and a strange demon baby with connections to the Hand. Then Matt shows up at this meeting and talks about his encounter with the wacky demon baby (which I guess was in the Jester at the time). Then he chases after that weird guy in the meeting and more or less "delivers" his baby. Or something like that... Then Matt mysteriously disappears again. The End. Wink

Though one thing that I thought was kind of strange in this arc, though it's in no way relevant to the story, is how Matt and Milla are depicted getting married in a church when Milla had told Ben Urich two story arcs previously that they got married in Matt's office. Hmmm....
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i agree the Decalogue was pretty poor, but the Murdock papers arc afterwards was one of the best ive ever reas
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see poker cards flying at that comment.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know, I liked the Decalogue storyarc. The conclusion was kinda of rushed, though.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really liked Decalogue. It was certainly a departure from the usual rhythm of the book, but I liked how it showed DD's effect on other people's lives. I thought the group session was a nice device to have these strangers all share their stories of our hero. The succubus, or whatever it was, was weird and a bit more horror/sci-fi than I usually like my DD, but I felt it was a nice change of pace and was executed well. I definitely preferred it over the Murdock Papers.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neilan wrote:
The succubus, or whatever it was, was weird and a bit more horror/sci-fi than I usually like my DD, but I felt it was a nice change of pace and was executed well. I definitely preferred it over the Murdock Papers.

Yeah, I think it was the whole succubus thing that didn't work for me. That and the Jester which I've never been very fond of.

I would say that the Murdock Papers was a better read, but I'm really annoyed by how a lot of it just didn't make any sense. Really, the whole case against Matt, the way it was portrayed, had a lot of holes in it and the bit about how Elektra had helped with the Murdock Papers when they didn't even exist was strange.

I know it's been said many times before, but the whole "everyone knows how DD's senses work" that was introduced under Bendis was really unfortunate, I think. I'm not even sure Matt himself knows exactly how they work (hey, they vary slightly depending on the writer anyway...).
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Decalogue", in my opinion, was one of the more solid arcs in the Bendis / Maleev run on the title (now, granted, it's not as solid as "Underboss" or "Out", but I consider it in a second tier from those gems, right up there with "King of Hell's Kitchen".).

My interpretation of it was that it follows the spirit of a real conversation amongst a group of people. "Real" conversations are not power point presentations. The most human conversations follow along, hitting on specific subject topics. They can be as meandering and as organic as any story. They follow differing points of view as things are explored and discussed. And I felt "Decalogue" followed that spirit.

The strength of the arc, I feel, was the examination, to some extent or another, of the public view of the main character. The characters each discussed the impact, ramifications and perceptions of Daredevil in their lives.

The weakness of it was the whole demon-baby tangent that came off as a bit nonsensical. That and "Don the Bomb" (isn't that right rgj? ... yep, I can hear him sighing heavily from here).

I anticipated a confrontation Mephisto / Daredevil as the demon-baby thing began to develop. But alas...

There was also this, that was a spectacular piece of character insight and characterization: Matt's explanation of why he continues to be Daredevil (esspecially in the face of the public outting and Foggy's challenging of him to retire the tights).

Alex Maleev's art was dynamic in that arc and it really made Bendis's prose sing.

All-in-all, "Decalogue" wasn't mind-blowing, but it really wasn't bad, either. Like I said, I believe it was a second tier arc in the entirity of the Bendis / Maleev arc.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When Matt was suddenly in the room with them... (Suddenly for us, as he was in the room the whole time...) Wow, that was awesome.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, that's it. I'm rereading that whole arc this weekend to see if I like it better this time around, taking your various perspectives into consideration. It's always interesting when you can approach something from a new angle.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finally bought this trade recently but can't get myself to actually read it. I couldn't stop laughing when I looked inside and saw the demon baby or whatever it was. Shocked Laughing WTF????

I'm going to try and read it sometime though. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read it. Didn't like it. (Surprise Surprise....)

Bunch of people sitting around talking about Daredevil's effect on their lives. A support group for people fortunate enough to have a superhero intervene in their lives? Again... a support group for the fortunate?

Then at various points in the story different people vomit up a baby. I managed to read the entire thing, yet I still don't know why this was happening, or how they survived it. I would have loved to have been in the meeting where Bendis pitched this. It just further convinces me that Bendis has long since reached a position in Marvel where he can do whatever he wants without question. I don't know how he earned this. ("So then he vomits up a demon baby." "That's great Brian! Go with it!"

One last complaint. Bendis is the guy who set the whole secret identity crisis into motion. Why then does he have Matt appearing to these people in civilian garb, talking to them about how he is Daredevil? I couldn't help but be bothered by that. Bendis sets it up as this big crisis, and then the protagonist doesn't seem to be taking the crisis seriously.

I never really enjoyed any of Bendis' work, except for some of his Ultimate Spider-Man, and Decalogue is the only arc of his that I read after Hardcore, and it is easily the worst thing he ever wrote featuring Daredevil.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dimetre wrote:
Bunch of people sitting around talking about Daredevil's effect on their lives. A support group for people fortunate enough to have a superhero intervene in their lives? Again... a support group for the fortunate?


It's a support group for people who feel like their lives are being controlled by forces beyond their comprehension. Plus, it's a forum for airing their own opinions, since they don't really have any other way to really do so.

Remember, to the people (who mostly know about DD and other superheroes through word of mouth and the Bugle), DD really is larger-than-life, and therefore not somebody that they understand.

To me, that's what this story was about - showing us the way Matt is perceived, and then showing us Matt's compassion and his really, really desperate need for the people for whom he risks his life every day, to understand him. And they do understand him, at the end, because he shows his own vulnerabilities and really speaks to them as a human being. They see him for the generous, compassionate, caring person that he is, instead of as just an angry person who dresses like the devil and beats people up.

The whole "baby" storyline - I like to just ignore that that exists. Smile You were right in that it was totally out-there... although, come to think of it, maybe that was the point. Maybe the point was to illustrate Matt's gift for taking something totally, completely bizarre and outside the normal human experience, understanding that the people in the room who'd lost loved ones needed closure about it, and finding a way to explain things to them in a way that they could understand. Not to mention his gift for finding and communicating a common ground.

I liked Decalogue. It wasn't my favorite of Bendis's run (that award goes to... umm... either "Out," "Lowlife," or "Hardcore," I can't decide), but I really enjoyed the depth of pure emotion in Decalogue. In particular, I fell in love with Decalogue just for this one line:

Matt: It's over. I just wanted you to know it's over. It's done. You can go back to your lives. Try - try to be happy.

So much sadness there... you can really tell that Matt really, really wants everybody else in the room to be happy, because he no hope for that himself.
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