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Blind Alley · Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:05 am Post subject: Stand-alone issues : showdown 1

ROUND 1
Showdown 1 : #169 "Devils" vs #245 "Burn !"
Showdown 2 : #191 "Roulette" vs #247 "The Backwards Man"
Showdown 3 : #192 "Promises" vs #266 "A Beer With the Devil"
Showdown 4 : #219 "Badlands" vs #268 "Golden Rut" vs V2 #94 "Our love story"
Showdown 5 : #223 "The Price" vs #277 'Of Crowns and Horns"
Showdown 6 : #225 ". . . And Then You Die" vs #291 "All The News That Fits"
Showdown 7 : #236 "American Dreamer" vs #304 "34 Hours"
Showdown 8 : #238 "It Comes With The Claws" vs #380 "Just One Good Story"
ROUND 2
Showdown 9 : Winner of 1 vs Winner of 5
Showdown 10 : Winner of 2 vs Winner of 6
Showdown 11 : Winner of 3 vs Winner of 7
Showdown 12 : Winner of 4 vs Winner of 8
ROUND 3
Showdown 13 : Winner of 9 vs Winner of 11
Showdown 14 : Winner of 10 vs Winner of 12
FINAL :
Showdown 15 : Winner of 13 vs Winner of 14

So let's begin !
#169 or #245, which one goes to the next round ?
You decide!
And please, as rgj suggested, try to re-read the issues before voting. Also, tell us what you liked (or disliked), which details you remembered, what makes the story special to you... anything you want that relates to the issue !
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Blind Alley · Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:53 am Post subject:

So why did I nominate #169 ?
For many reasons I'm gonna list below :
- it has DD fighting Bullseye (twice !) in the great Frank Miller style !
- the 2 movie-geeks analizing Maltese Falcon provide a good comic relief
- there's the cool scene where DD focuses his hearing sense to locate one of Bullseye hostage (DD can locate a man who coughs in NYC during the winter : how cool is that ?)
- in the subway, DD saves Bullseye from the train (whereas in the movie...)
- the final speech of DD with Manolis is very telling about DD (who he is, what he stands for)
- It's one the first DD tale that I've read and that stayed with me for years. (The copy I had was a french translation with missing panels due to censorship).

In the early 2K, I wasn't reading DD anymore.
One day, I came across the DD : visionaries 2 in a book store.
It was collecting #169 and other great issues (the one with Elektra, for instance).
I didn't read much english comic-books at the time but I bought it anyway.
It was this book that made me fall back into DD fandom.
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Gloria · Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:43 am Post subject:

jumonji · Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:22 am Post subject:

Yeah, I like this issue (#169) too. The whole idea of Bullseye having a brain tumor and seeing Daredevils everywhere is really quite funny. At the same time you never forget what a seriously scary guy Bullseye is.

The subway scene is also a classic. While DD has the upper-hand in most combat situations (as long as he manages to stay on top of his game and isn't up against a foe with much greater strength) this is one situation where he's in over his head and keeps going anyway. Very "daredevilesque."

james castle · Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject:

Matt pulling Bullseye off the tracks is a classic moment so I'm going with Devils.
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Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

"Devils" really has everything you could ask from a DD story. It has Daredevil bravely fighting despite adverse odds and selflessly helping who is in trouble; a storytelling with the magistral pace and commentary of the golden age Frank Miller; the hero facing the tough decision saving a killer or let him die; a dramatic fight scene. Also, a small dose of humor (love the introductory page, when Matt suddenly abandons the interviewer upon learning of Bullseye's escape).

Regarding "Burn", it has some good points, like the divergent views on the redemption of a man between Daredevil and Black Panther, with Daredevil (in my book) proving himself morally superior to the king of Wakanda.
Besides that, the story is a little rushed, with the writer hammering a bit much on the aspect of gambling as a social problem.
Also, I found the idea of the Wakandan black guy in a golden flying power armor a bit silly.

In the end, my vote goes to "Devils" (but in fact there was no competition from the beginning if you ask me).

rgj · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject:

"Devils" is just the better tale. DD's exchange with Manolis, alone, is enough. Great insight. And, great action, to boot. Bulls going REALLY bonkers is cool too.

rgj

Blind Alley · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:32 am Post subject:

So, I see #245 got three votes but no post to explain them...
Anyone to defend this issue or share the reasons he likes this issue better ?

Next showdowns will start soon (tonight or tomorrow).
Prepare the "defense" of your favorites and go re-read your back issues !
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entzauberung · Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject:

Well, I nominated #245 so I guess I had to vote for it, but it was pretty to argue against #169, which is of course a stone cold classic.

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