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CyberGhostface · Playing to the Camera Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 109

Well Bendis's last arc for the Kingpin in USM at least for a while came out around last month. Basically, it featured Daredevil recruiting Spider-Man and some other heroes to take down the Kingpin for good.

So anyway, after Kingpin infilitrates the group via Iron Fist (by blackmailing him about his daughter) and finds out that DD is Murdock and blows up his law offices.

So DD is pushed to the limit and decides to get back at KP the only way that KP will understand...by breaking into KP's home and threatening to kill his wife, Vanessa by snapping her neck...who in this universe is in a coma. Fisk seems to buy that he's serious, and pleads with DD not to make what was merely business personal.

Of course, Spider-Man arrives and manages to convince DD not to sink to Fisk's level, and so on.

My question...keeping in mind that this is an alternate universe, do you think this is in character for Murdock if he was to be pushed far enough?

Gloria · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject:

...That's one of the reasons I'm not an enthusiastic follower of the Ultimate Universe: the Kingpin-Vanessa-Murdock interactions are far richer in the old continuity

The Ultimate Universe just vampirizes (and over-simplifies) good stories of the past.

If a writer wants to write all-new stories without bothering to make them minimally related to previous stories, I'd rather have him/her daring to create all-new characters.

Kurt Busiek did a fine work in "Astro City": the characters, while having obvious references to well-known well-established superheroes, were new ones, without the weight of previous continuity. With these new characters in a continuity-free universe, he was absolutely free to create whatever story he wanted to: and they were pretty good stories, too.

I think this is a better option than the Ultimate-style re-working of a character: this is, huh, ultimately a way of over-exposing a character, and thus making the reader tired of reading always the same thing under different guises.
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Clayton Blind Love · Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject:

I don't read the Ultimate line. Well, that is not entirely true. I own the Ultimate Vol.1 HC and the Team Up issues with DD, Punisher, and Spider-Man. I think Gloria speaks for me on this subject. I have no desire for this line other than Hitch's art and a fantastic Sienkiewicz/Bendis 3-parter in Team-Up.

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Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

It is in character. Because and only because Ultimate DD is more hardcore and with less restraints than his 616 counterpart. He has been shown this way since the beginning, so it is a coherent portrayal.

The 616 DD, however, would never go as far as to kill a third person for revenge, not even under extreme circumstances. In my opinion.

the truebeliever · Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject:

I agree, Francesco. Daredevil would never take anothers life. If he did then he would wouldn't be any better then The Punisher. And that argument has went through the 616 universe for years.

Dimetre · Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:06 am Post subject:

Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

I didn't read that. Then it is limited to Bendis' writing in Ultimate Spider-man.

CyberGhostface · Playing to the Camera Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 109

rgj · Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject:

"Ultimate" Daredevil sucks no matter who writes it.

rgj

Forrest · Lowlife Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439

I dislike Bendis's Ultimate DD. He was always such a jerk. He just seemed like he was in a bad mood 24/7, which works for Punisher or Wolverine, but not Matt Murdock.

I thought Rucka's was OK. He wasn't a very interesting character in "Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra." However, I love that mini as I thought the story was really an Ultimate Elektra story, which Rucka nailed. I enjoy Ultimate Elektra a hundred times more than the standard Elektra.

Finally, I loved Mike Carey's Ultimate DD (in "Ultimate Elektra"). In this mini was the only time I have really connected with the Ultimate DD character. Also, Carey did a great job of continuing to develop Ultimate Elektra. This is one of my favorite Ultimate stories to date.
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The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

I do think there are DD characters that would benefit from a Ultimates style revamp, though mainly secondary C-list villains.

Look at how Bruce Timm revamped a goober like Clock King, I think a good writer can make good characters out of Man-Bull and Ringmaster if they can redo them from scratch.

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