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Dave Wallace · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:42 am Post subject: Daredevil #117 solicit info

"Return of the King" sounds even more interesting than I expected, based on the solicit info for issue #117.

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jumonji · Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject:

Dash · Flying Blind Joined: 29 Oct 2008 Posts: 94

The Kingpin and Daredevil shaking hands doesn't leave much to mystery.

But as far as 15 issue story arcs...it's getting a bit ridiculous. That's a whole YEAR of DD. I mean, good story or not, it drags it out a lot in my opinion. Which results in "filler" issues to prolong the story. But I'm not saying this story isn't good. I just miss the days when comics had an one issue story. When was the last stand alone DD story?

But one issue stories can be rushed and leave alot out.

So somewhere in the middle would be nice.

Dave Wallace · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:02 am Post subject:

I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with long over-arching story elements. Yes, it seems from the solicit that Brubaker is using Lady Bullseye in a second arc after the current one, but serialised comics books like Daredevil are always going to make use of recurring cast members - Lady Bullseye just happens to be a new one.

There's nothing in the solicit to indicate that this is a direct continuation of the "Lady Bullseye" arc - just that elements of that story will play into the next arc.

If you're going to object to long story arcs on principle, we never would have had Miller's 'Elektra saga' or Bendis' run - two of the best runs on Daredevil, in my opinion. From my point of view, Brubaker's run on the book is shaping up to be a defining one too - and I don't see anything wrong with him reusing characters and concepts from one arc to another.

Dave Wallace · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:06 am Post subject:

jumonji · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:36 am Post subject:

Dave Wallace · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:52 am Post subject:

Well said, jumonji. I agree that there should be defined chapters within the longer sagas. Otherwise, you'd just feel like you were reading a serialised graphic novel - which is not the same thing as a monthly comic book (even though there's an ever increasing tendancy to write with an eye to the eventual TPB collection rather than the single issues).

Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

I don't object long storyarcs on principle. If they turn up to be really good, it's okay.

You mentioned Miller and Bendis. Fair enough. Before writing that post I had exactly the stories of those two authors in mind.

They too had over-arching plots going on, like the Elektra saga.
Difference is, and now I have Bendis' run in mind, each storyarc, with maybe the exception of "Out + Hardcore" was pretty much self-conclusive while having "over-arching story elements", like you said.

The Elektra saga, can we honestly consider it a storyline? I think not. It's more an over-arching story element. Elektra comes into DD's life, and in the meantime, DD has different adventures, sometimes involving Elektra, sometimes not.

In short, I totally favor "over-arching story elements". Overly dilated storylines? Not so much.

james castle · Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:03 am Post subject:

Anybody else dislike that picture of the Kingpin? He looks like a fat tough guy. Well, just a fat tough guy.
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Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

Dash · Flying Blind Joined: 29 Oct 2008 Posts: 94

Well I wasn't trying to say that this run isn't amazing. Because it is. And I do like that the story has kind of evolved into one big one.

But in my opinion, there have been some issues that are just numbers for numbers sake. Good books in their own right, but they seem more like stalling than anything else. But I realize that Daredevil isn't a pulse pounding non -stop adventure roller coaster. That's kind of why I like it though, it's a different comic.

But no matter how much of a filler a DD issue is, I'd still buy it. I can honestly say I'm 100% satisfied with both the art and story on DD right now.

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james castle · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject:

I would welcome a slightly longer arc. My complaint (that no one else seems to share somehow) is that Bru has been slamming arcs shut virtually at random very 6 issues or whatever. With a longer arc maybe he wouldn't ahve to lean on deus ex machinas so hard.
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Kirika · Flying Blind Joined: 05 Sep 2008 Posts: 57

First of all, I have to admit that with the exception of Cruel and Unusual, I have liked just about everything I have read by Bru...most of which I was convinced from the get go I was not going to like. With this upcoming arc, I am again looking at what little info we have to go on and shaking my head. I have really enjoyed the Fisk-less days. But maybe Brubaker will prove me wrong again.

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