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Frank Miller VS Brian Michael Bendis
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:08 pm    Post subject: Frank Miller VS Brian Michael Bendis Reply with quote

These are the two creators I hear most about when it comes to DD. Which one was your personal favorite? I have a hard time choosing but I would have to go with BMB
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one tough cookie to crack.

Bendis is one of the recent additions to DD's scribe of fame. And Miller wrote his DD stories way way back. I have the same birthday as Elektra, January of 1981.

So comparing the two is like comparing The Beatles to whatever the best band of recent years is (I wanna say Coldplay, but then that's a bias opinion since they're my favorite band).

But then like I said, Miller wrote his DD stories eons ago and it's still fantastical now. That shows just how great he is or at least how great his stories are.

And what band can really compare to The Beatles?

But at the end of the day. It all boils down to preference. I don't call The Beatles my favorite band, that title is reserved for Coldplay.

So yeah, I like Bendis over Miller.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's no contest for me. Frank Miller.

Miller revolutionized not only Daredevil, but comics in general. Comics are more interesting because of him.

While I think Bendis is gifted at writing dialogue, I still don't think he had a good understanding of who Daredevil is. The whole "outing" of the secret identity story had been done three times before he came on the book, most recently in the arc immediately preceding when he came on board as permanent writer. I feel he turned Daredevil into whiny, graceless and far less principled character. And all comics seemed to become decompressed after he became popular, although his were to the extreme. What used to take one issue now took four.

So yeah, Frank Miller all the way, even though I think our Frank has nothing new to contribute to the medium.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like both takes on DD, but it has to be Miller.

As has been said before, Miller took a so called 'second-tier' Marvel Superhero book and began to, not so quietly, revolutionise the industry. Bendis had a great few years on the title but was still making the same patterns that Miller shaped out of the Lee/Everett sandbox.

However, I've no wish to see Miller back anywhere near this character if his recent work and political rhetoric is any judge of where his head is at these days.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryu Murdock wrote:


But then like I said, Miller wrote his DD stories eons ago and it's still fantastical now. That shows just how great he is or at least how great his stories are.



Good point. Miller's run as stood the test of time but I think Bendis's will too.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryu Murdock wrote:

And what band can really compare to The Beatles?



The Ramones Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dimetre wrote:
It's no contest for me. Frank Miller.

The whole "outing" of the secret identity story had been done three times before he came on the book.


Well I don't think anyone liked that story because it was an original idea. I think most people liked it because of the way Bendis had it affect Matt's personal life. Even today it's still having it's ripple affect.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dimetre wrote:


even though I think our Frank has nothing new to contribute to the medium.


How true and how sad Sad Although I have read Holy Terror yet.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete wrote:

As has been said before, Miller took a so called 'second-tier' Marvel Superhero book and began to, not so quietly, revolutionize the industry. Bendis had a great few years on the title but was still making the same patterns that Miller shaped out of the Lee/Everett sandbox.

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I agree that Bendis did follow a pattern that Miller laid out and yes you are correct Miller sorta made DD into a staple at Marvel but I think that's also a testament to the character himself. DD's popularity has gone up and down over the years but always bounces back.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank Miller began writing his historical run on DD over 30 years ago and it is still great. BMB was really good but not better. I think one of the key things that writers have not been able to use as good as Miller, is DD's fighting skills and senses. It will be tough to beat Miller but if they can figure out a way to use those effectively then they have a shot.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say Miller, because as others mentioned, he revitalized the character and revolutionized the medium.

Also, because I've read very little of Bendis' DD. Decompressed story-telling aside, his writing style seems full of 'witty' dialogue, off-kilter characterizations, and canon errors. Does his DD run contain these elements as well?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darkdevil wrote:
Also, because I've read very little of Bendis' DD. Decompressed story-telling aside, his writing style seems full of 'witty' dialogue, off-kilter characterizations, and canon errors. Does his DD run contain these elements as well?

I would say yes, yes, and yes.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it's Miller by a country mile. Miller wins for Born Again alone but if you add in his original run, Love and War, Man Without Fear and the truly amazing Elektra Assassin? Not even close.

Maybe I should go back and read some of the BMB stuff but looking back on it I've really soured on him. I feel like his dialogue heavy, decompressed style was something new and fresh when it first hit but now just seems a bit gimmicky. I think it's worth noting that BMB really lost steam at the end of his run as he ran out of tricks and things just got a bit boring.

One last thing about thing about decompression: go back and read the issue where Miller introduces Elektra. The sheer amount of information and story that he delivers in that one issue alone is astonishing. To me, that's what's special about comics. He takes 24 pages and, through images and text, tells a full, compelling story. That's something Miller was a master of and Bendis still doesn't seem to be able to do.

Also: the Beatles are much, much, much better than Cold Play. Listen to the Bealtes.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james castle wrote:
Also: the Beatles are much, much, much better than Cold Play. Listen to the Bealtes.

Beatles all the way, but everyone should check out some Arcade Fire.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hooookay! Before it gets outta hand. Let me just point out that on my original post, I basically said nothing compares to the Beatles. It's just that I prefer Coldplay and they are my favorite band.

Hence, when it comes to Daredevil. No one compares to Frank Miller, it's just that I like Bendis' story-telling more.

It's normal not to like what is considered to be the best or most popular. Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man are superheroes that can be, and generally considered as more popular than Daredevil, but none of them is my favorite.
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